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TE Jacob Hollister WR Tanner Gentry OL Chase Roullier Every single one of these guys made an NFL team this year and Josh Allen played with all of them last year. The fact that he couldn’t do better in the Mountain West Conference with 4 NFL players says it all. |
LSU game included, Mahomes has always elevated his game enough to make the players around him better. Mahomes magic, you could call it.
Then you look at what Allen has done in college, especially against teams that were from the Power 5... it's not pretty. His numbers go from bad to worse. He wasn't making his guys better. |
So who's going to fix
There are times when Allen can't ****ing hit the broad side of a goddamn barn. |
He can be off sometimes, but he can get hot too, like he did in the Tater Bowl.
We'll see how he does when he has some better players around him at the Senior Bowl. |
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Josh Allen will kill the Senior Bowl and then most likely kill the combine throwing session because he’s perfectly built for those. He will wow people with his strong arm throwing all of the passes in shorts at practice. People will be impressed when they see the zip he puts on out routes.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Dorsey drafted this kid 1st overall. If we learned anything about him, it’s that he will always draft the boom or bust prospects. Peters, Tyreek, Kelce, Jones, Tanoh, Pat. All fit that mold. |
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Inaccurate qbs don’t get accurate once they get to the nfl
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Mayfield is Favre?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahahahaha |
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Mayfield is Brett Favre. Manziel is Brett Favre. Mahomes is Brett Favre. Brett Favre is Brett Favre. I'm Brett Favre. You're Brett Favre. |
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Bottom line, as I said before we drafted Mahomes last spring, all of these QBs with good talent could become stud franchise QBs. But it's gonna come down more so to where they are drafted, not what they do personally. If Cleveland takes Pat, Deshaun, or Trubisky and throws them into the fire last year, they all would fail and probably wind up as busts. And not the kind that go into the HOF. |
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I will never forget the bold move made by this franchise to acquire Mahomes. That was just solid gold WONDERFUL. |
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“I just don’t see what he has that Bray didn’t” :facepalm: |
Speaking of Hot Takes:
Josh Rosen will be the third or fourth QB selected. |
Confident...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">in a single interview, Josh Allen has now said:<br>-he put Wyoming on his back (they went 7-5)<br>-he has Aaron Rodgers qualities<br>-stats are for losers</p>— Jordan Zirm (@clevezirm) <a href="https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/955528669711216640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JoshAllenQB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoshAllenQB</a> "I'm way more accurate than (his numbers) that shows. The key to accuracy is making sure my feet are set right." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FanSeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FanSeniorBowl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/1043TheFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1043TheFan</a></p>— Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/955589409243582465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JoshAllenQB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoshAllenQB</a> "I'm training with Jordan Palmer right now. Accuracy is derived from your feet, so that's what we're working on right now." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FanSeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FanSeniorBowl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/1043TheFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1043TheFan</a></p>— Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/955591277730549760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Josh Allen sounds like a real dumbass
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So... why didn't he ever ****ing set his feet?
Josh Allen couldn't hit a bull's butt with a bass ****ing fiddle all of last year. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Little <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a> scuttlebutt. Have heard for about a month now that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a> coach Sean Payton is squarely in the camp of Baker Mayfield believers. That’s not going away.</p>— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/955601452151574530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Here are my final QB rankings
1. Darnold 2. Rosen 3. Mayfield 4. Jackson 5. Allen 6. Rudolph 7. Shimonek I don't see much NFL potential with the rest. Everything after Mayfield is a total project and Mayfield is more Manziel than people care to admit. Darnold has the most upside, but the team that drafts him needs to figure out why he's got dicks for hands. Rosen is the most polished passer, but I think he's going to struggle with durability. Jackson and Allen are pure upside guys, but the nod goes to Jackson. More athletic ability and I think he's got more untapped potential because Petrino has no interest in building QBs for the next level. Allen had better coaching and regressed in even lesser games. Has some real Hack vibes, but still lots of upside. Rudolph has potential to be a mid-range starter eventually and Mahomes replacement has some real raw untapped potential. This class is super lacking in 2nd day options. |
I remember Geno Smith saying he was awesome
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It’s hand-size season again, and Josh Allen has big ones
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FanSeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FanSeniorBowl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/1043TheFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1043TheFan</a> 6047 237 pounds. <a href="https://t.co/U9wRo6LZfg">pic.twitter.com/U9wRo6LZfg</a></p>— Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/955813604984532993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Baker Mayfield trying to skip weigh-in/height/hand measurements?
"Mayfield late arrival in Mobile … The Senior Bowl is reporting that Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield will only arrive in Mobile later this morning as he has been delayed because of a family matter. As a result, Mayfield will miss this morning’s weigh-in session where everybody was hoping to final find out just how tall he actually is. We’ll see if he actually goes through a late measurement. Stay tuned." |
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I can’t remneber who, but somebody that was in their war room basically said they wanted Mahomes at 11, but they were happy to get a Lattimore there. Very nice consolation prize to say the least. What’s funny is we would’ve probably been in the same situation had we stayed put and drafted Foster. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield proving today he’s the QB John Elway and the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> should draft. Clearly.</p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/955937143871950848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Josh Allen looked like his tape showed today. Lot of bad passes but a handful of solid throws on a rope
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Please god draft Mayfield. Watching Mahomes school that dipshit over and over again until he's cut or traded away will be ****ing GLORIOUS.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> HC Vance Joseph on Josh Allen & Baker Mayfield: Allen’s got a big arm.. a special arm. And Mayfield came off the plane right to practice & performed today. He’s got “it”. You can see it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a> <a href="https://t.co/lXpEZEVp1S">pic.twitter.com/lXpEZEVp1S</a></p>— SiriusXM NFL Radio (@SiriusXMNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL/status/955977062619189255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mayfield's hands are bigger than Mahomes' LMAO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield’s official <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a> measurements:<br>Height: 6003<br>Weight: 216<br>Hand: 9 1/2<br>Arm: 30 1/2<br>Wingspan 30 3/8</p>— Rob Rang (@RobRang) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobRang/status/956016099396587523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Please share with us your feelings regarding Mahomes making Von Miller his bitch, while throwing the sidearm equivalent of an MLB slider in to the hands of a heavily draped Chiefs receiver during our last match up? Also, knowing that your defense is becoming aged and decrepit, and that Horseway will more than likely prove himself unable to draft and ESPECIALLY acquire decent FA's to fill the void, please tell the group how it feels to know that Patrick Mahomes II can destroy your defensive unit at-will, and will be doing so for many years to come?... Thanks! |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice <a href="https://t.co/eiLprjuEnf">https://t.co/eiLprjuEnf</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/9NEWS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@9NEWS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/9sports?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#9sports</a></p>— Mike Klis (@MikeKlis) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/956147708259127296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love that we’re getting looks of the North QBs working under center this week. Allen has most experience there. Baker has learned fast. His athleticism shows.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/956235068967669760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen threw a beautiful vertical route throw. That easy arm talent shows there. Easy to get excitef about. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a></p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/956243920727441408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen’s deep ball getting a lot of love. It’s a thing of beauty.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/956243949345280000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen with a strike up the left sideline in one-on-one — deep, line of scrimmage at the defense’s 35, left side of the end zone to Allen Lazard. Could not throw a deep ball any better.</p>— Andrew Mason (@MaseDenver) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/956244010477215744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another great vertical throw, this time to Michael Gallup. <br><br>Josh Allen’s ability to throw with velocity without leaving a ball hanging on vertical routes is what makes him, and made Mahomes, special last year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a></p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/956245372216672256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen to Michael Gallup <a href="https://t.co/KiwQH13x7O">pic.twitter.com/KiwQH13x7O</a></p>— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956245411790024706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Wyoming?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Wyoming</a>'s Josh Allen just threw a 35-yard laser to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CSU</a>'s Michael Gallup over a defender for a TD that was stupid good. Down the right sideline.. Absolute dime. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Denver7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Denver7</a></p>— Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/956245588164653057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield doesn’t get enough credit for his touch.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/956245613405929472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield just lit up a 7-on-7 period. <br>3/4 with two perfect balls downfield.</p>— Ryan Koenigsberg (@RyanKoenigsberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanKoenigsberg/status/956257230126501888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield to Michael Gallup <a href="https://t.co/2b4GEBcpnn">pic.twitter.com/2b4GEBcpnn</a></p>— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956256912416366593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strong practice for Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield today. During team drills, Mayfield anticipated windows, put good touch on the ball and also showed the ability to drive throws on inside breaking routes. <a href="https://t.co/VE2KWVgyYf">https://t.co/VE2KWVgyYf</a></p>— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/956261758800310273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Also, DJ made a decent comparison for Mayfield.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some very interesting data being collected at <a href="https://twitter.com/seniorbowl?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@seniorbowl</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/ZebraTechnology?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZebraTechnology</a>. From today's North practice:<br><br>Fastest throw: J. Allen, 66.14 mph<br>Longest throw: T. Lee, 54.7 yards<br>Highest rotations/min: L. Falk, 721.6<br>Most throws: L. Falk, 112</p>— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/956279764213366784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mahomes is so 2017. Mayfield is the new FOTM
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Russell Wilson comp% first three years in college...
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Good ****ing God Josh Allen is terrible. Look at this shit. Guy has horrible accuracy.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">no pressure, open WR and Allen throws it at his feet. The rate at which he misses these easy throws is alarming. <a href="https://t.co/yvZucgF5al">pic.twitter.com/yvZucgF5al</a></p>— Ryan McCrystal (@Ryan_McCrystal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/955568577062477824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And for every deep ball like that last one that Allen completes, there's about 4 of these that miss the mark so terribly his WR has no chance <a href="https://t.co/QZM8ncYNo1">pic.twitter.com/QZM8ncYNo1</a></p>— Ryan McCrystal (@Ryan_McCrystal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/955607652209369089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I had to put everyone on my back and say we can do this." Future No. 1 overall pick Josh Allen <a href="https://t.co/102phoDlgQ">pic.twitter.com/102phoDlgQ</a></p>— Ryan McCrystal (@Ryan_McCrystal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/955529360395591680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">but guys, Josh Allen has a bad supporting cast. It's all the supporting cast's fault. No really, I swear. <a href="https://t.co/XOGgDW9ie3">pic.twitter.com/XOGgDW9ie3</a></p>— Ryan McCrystal (@Ryan_McCrystal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/955513727486369797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">here it is again in slow motion so you can really see the extent to which he shortarms it and sails it over his WRs head <a href="https://t.co/eEvosEUsp6">pic.twitter.com/eEvosEUsp6</a></p>— Ryan McCrystal (@Ryan_McCrystal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/955512080186028032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Josh Allen is what he is. He's a QB that has warts....but some GM will take him because of his ceiling. Allen better hope that he goes to the right team.....otherwise he's just another Paxton Lynch.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Throws like this from Josh Allen showcase his “make-up” arm talent. <br><br>Pressure makes the route timing on the deep comeback off. He’s able to adjust off pressure and throw with enough velocity to still complete the pass. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeniorBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeniorBowl</a> <a href="https://t.co/UCQiC8RwPX">pic.twitter.com/UCQiC8RwPX</a></p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/956576176901943302?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting to watch how much better QB Josh Allen has been during red zone drills. When the field shrinks, he has been at his best this week.</p>— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/956617390015569921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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#keyhole
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen to Cedrick Wilson. TD <a href="https://t.co/abj0cXmPzb">pic.twitter.com/abj0cXmPzb</a></p>— Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/956620252271513600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Matthew Stafford comp% first two years in college
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He threw an interception to Georgia on that exact route. Cost Oklahoma the game |
Stafford was a >60% passer 4 out of his first 5 years in the league. He barely had a 60% completion percentage in his 6th year.
He didn’t turn into a consistent accurate passer until his 7th year in the league. Elway won’t have time to wait for Josh Allen to try to fix his accuracy problems. |
Dan Marino college comp%
58.6 51.8 59.5 58.5 |
Joe Montana comp% in college
42.4 52.4 54.2 |
Christian Hackenberg, Kyle Boller, Jake Locker, Joey Harrington
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