I'm not sitting here thinking that Stephenson is Tony Jones or anything. I expect him to be an average to above average starter who will eventually be replaced by Sambrailo or somebody else. All his signing does is ensure that we won't have to rely on Michael Schofield to start ever again.

John Elway's job is to field a team that is capable of winning a Super Bowl every year. If a handful of things go our way then he has done that. Not that they are going to do it, but they would be capable of doing it. That's as much as I can really expect from a GM.

I can see Denver going full reerun and putting Lynch out there bc Sanchize ****s up, and it would be the worst thing they could do to the kid.

That's why I liked Lynch. He's got tools, but he needs to sit for 2 years and learn the X's and O's. We could offer him that and remain competetive until it was time to hand him the keys.

Football is football. It was a one on one matchup, and Okung was getting beat like a drum.

mmhmmm.

That's still a big if. He has tools, but so did Osweiler, and Osweiler had the benefit of sitting and learning from the best for four years. And yet Elway still didn't think he was worth franchise money, and reports are Elway was looking to trade him a year or so earlier for more picks. So the jury is still out on Elway's ability to evaluate QB's who aren't named Manning...

You mean the Kubiak who set up shop in Houston with Schaub?

I hope they don't put him in there. We still have Trevor Siemian that was drafted last year. He had a leg injury last year but he showed promise. Enough that we had to move him from the PS because other teams were going to try to poach him. I am thinking that the depth chart will be Sanchez/Siemian/Lynch, and that Siemian will go in if Sanchez stinks it up badly early on.

Tell me. What difference would it being a regular season game make in that situation?

You are asking me what the difference in level of play is for veterans vs. new guys in the NFL pre-season vs. regular season? Is that your question?

So you're basically saying Okung wasn't trying then? Not going full speed?

Well you obviously didn't watch (which I already knew), if that's your argument. You're just blindly using a comfortable excuse.

Lynch also has a bigger arm than Brock and already feels pressure better than Brock does. Lynch is Brock on steroids so to speak, the only thing Brock has over Lynch is experience.

Dude. Stop.

You're a ****ing idiot if you believe that. You've brought nothing to this other than "but it was preseason". Weak argument for what occurred in that game, which you 100% didn't watch.

I'm not completely sold on the bigger arm yet but it does look like it. He absolutely did make stronger throws on the run than Oz did though. And, yeah, Lynch did have a much higher awareness than Oz - but it's still comparing college to pro. I'm waiting to see if he can make that transition.

QB's in the AFCW are going to be fun to watch this year.

Well, almost....

I'm hoping that old Chilidog Buttfumble is competent enough to keep our QB situation very boring.

You never know. He did much better upon leaving NYJ and situations can change things. If he gets his legs, he could turn it on and start ****ing some shit up.

He was pretty ****ing impressive in college.

Why? Lynch is nothing special and is nowhere close to NFL ready...probably never will be. Too many warts.

Ever notice how there's always a problem with every QB prospect for 30 years when it comes to the Chiefs?

Yeah, I did.

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for competency. He is saying and doing all the right things for now. Our D last year was historically good, and I don't think there is any way they keep from regressing from that level. At the same time our Offense sucked ass much of the time, but they have made moves already to make it better. So...yay, Sanchez can lead us to Offensive mediocrity! Woot!

So your battles with KC shall be evenly matched!

Every QB that was a realistic option at the Chiefs pick has sucked monkey nuts in recent years...lynch won't break that trend.

Hindsight is 30/30 and counting.

Knowmo would send a load to the moon if Denver had Alex.

They made the right call trading for Smith and passing on turds....admit it man

Well, that's HIS sad and pathetic business, now isn't it?

If it works for you.

Join us Sweets. Fun year ahead.

If you are expecting Sanchez to "turn it on" after 7 seasons @ 30 years old, you are going to be disappointed. He still had a 50/50 split on TD/INTs in Philly...which in on par for his career. He is also learning an entirely new system in Denver. It could get ugly...doesn't help they play a first place schedule.

There is a reason why he was available and only $4 million....because he isn't good. Chase Daniel got $7 mill...if that tells you anything. He's a serviceable back-up...that's his ceiling. It's why Elway was still trying to get Kap...

Like I said earlier..If KC was rolling out Sanchez as it's 2016 starter and both back-ups had zero real game experience..how serious would you take their play-off hopes? Not very....

Pass.

( and for more than 5 yards )

Yes, yes; we've had this talk already, thanks.

Pretty much. It's going to be ugly as hell.

What was our offense ranked again dag?

Sweets would rather have Choco Genii throwing ducks to the other team

Pretty damn good on points per drive. You morons need to quit obsessing over yards.

Hey Listo, would you regale us with the average height of jumping jack and duration of cartwheel that you and the other Denver fans would be performing if "Alex Smith was your Quarterback", per Easy?

I can wait a bit if you actually want to crunch numbers.

No no no lets them go on about yards.... You know consider we were 5th in total yards of offense a game and 9th in points.....


Wait.... That would make us... A top 10 offense ooo the horror!

Well, shit. I'm going to have to break out my slide rule to do the math. This may take a while.

Quoted for those with PGM on iggy.

Dinny

Can't think of anyone who would

I'll say it to you straight:

I have nothing but respect for John Dorsey. He's going to be the best GM KC has had since KC started. And he's just getting started.

That's the good.

Here's the bad:

The Hunt family sucks at football. Clark Hunt is a straw-grasping, band-aid applying buffoon, and his family's absentee-ownership should make any fan worth their salt want to puke. The guy "cares" about Chiefs football in that he doesn't want the franchise to be an embarrassment, and he wants it to be a profitable venture( which, as a businessman myself, I do not cast a stone against ), but it's not his passion, and probably never was.

And it ****ing shows.

Which brings us to....

The head coach.

Clark didn't waste a goddamned scrap of greasy Philly steak in snatching this proven, regular season warrior right on up, did he? And hey, if you win a wild card after 200 years, well that's just ****ing icing on the cake, now isn't it?!

Watching Reid trip over his own fat ****ing dick on game day, repeatedly, because the reerun doesn't learn from his goddamned mistakes and shows no inclination at letting someone else handle the business of stroking his fat, ****ing, reeruned dick on game day is juuuuuuuuuuuuusst about as painful as watching.......

...your "QB".

Oh my sweet, merciful God. If there is anything in all of the NFL more excruciating than watching this tepid mouse-man attempt to navigate a football field, I have yet to find the mother****er.

Watching Alex Smith run an offense is like getting jerked off through a glory hole and finding out Lindsay Graham is on the other side; you aren't getting off, and will probably be scarred for the rest of your life. Watching Smith throw screens and dumps, and barely managing that more often than not, and doing it over and over and over and over and over and over because Reid's WCO just sucks and sucks and sucks and sucks and sucks and sucks literally hurts every part of my eyes, heart, and soul.

No one should have to endure it.

But hey; congrats on that win.

And if it works for you....

It doesn't make any sense.

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Like I said...Fun season ahead. Chiefs are llllloaded llloaded. Denver regressed.

You should start turning the tide in match-ups against DEN. I suspect it will start to even out.

Sweep is the expectation the next couple years. I view the Faid as the team to take seriously.

Never discount your foes.

And yes, the Faid is coming up.

We beat up on teams with shit QBs

Funny, every year someone says so and so qb that was drafted in the first would have been a 2 or 3 in a "normal" year

Yep.

Lynch might turn out to be something. Or nothing. But what else could Elway do?

Dagnabit... to still be so bitter and cynical after all that's happened in such a short time is just plain crazy talk

The Council has Decided You Will Remain in DC for Eternity...

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Well in this case he is right. Most QBs taken late in the first suck monkey nuts...duuuuur Rodgers though!!!

Yup he was desperate. It's like taking home the chubby 4 at closing time because she has big jugs.

While hoping that though not beautiful she can still bring you to the climax...

:)

Well, Paxton is the fat chick and there will be no after party for him.

Good for you!

Lots of good stuff in this one...

Look, all in all, Denver did want Brock to stay and that's why they made him a big offer. Houston made him a bigger offer and they never met with him, they needed to make a splash and pegged him as the guy.

Fine, he's gone, but Denver had a slotted number for that spot and weren't going over it... sh*t happens and you move on. They bring in Sanchez as a dude and try to trade for CK, that didn't work, but Lynch fell to them and they made the move.

All in all, nobody really knows who won this one. But, I'm quite certain that Denver thought they could retain Brock and were surprised by Houston, but they moved on... as all teams do.

Brock was a mixed bag last year... lots of good moments, but I didn't see that 'leader' in him. I wish him the best and no, I have no idea what to expect from Lynch and I do not expect Sanchez to be worth much.

The problem for Denver in 2016 is that Sanchez is a turnover machine and Lynch won't be ready. That coaching staff will have to work some serious magic just to have Lynch ready to take over in 2017 in my opinion. Could end up being a good move overall though, he has some damn good physical capabilities. The mental side and the fundamentals of playing from a pro set have to catch up.

Who knows, Kubiak did well with Plummer in his adjustment from AZ to Denver. I like Jake a lot better than Sanchez, but we'll see what he can do. Sanchez had a great team around him early in NY and they had a bit of playoff success, despite his issues at QB.

It's not all of a sudden this doomed scenario if he starts the bulk of the games in Denver, which he likely will. Paxton shouldn't be rushed in. Hell, I'm fine with a down year as they transition. I expect it to be similarly frustrating as the 2011 Tebow season.

I haven't looked at the stats, but didn't Manning & Brock combo have a high number of turnovers combined in 2015? Sanchez isn't very good, but my worry is he will play better then what they had in 2015.

Then add the fact they have a young QB who may or may not work out, but if it does then Denver again misses a rebuild process.

Yeah, they combined for roughly 4k yards, 19 TDs and 23 INTs... sounds like a Sanchez or other spare QB kinda year.

Yeah they did. Sanchez isn't a 1 trick pony with turnovers. 21 fumbles lost, 51 total fumbles in 75 games played. Ouch. That's to go with his 84 interceptions.

Sanchez never came close to 4,000 yards. His career high is 3,474, and he actually had a great year that year with 26 TD's, 18 INTs, and 6 FUM.

The big question is if Kubiac can get that out of Sanchez again. Sanchez is going to face a couple of big boy defenses in the division this year, but they got a cupcake schedule outside of the division. Only good teams they face outside the division are likely Carolina, New England, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville (they look like they are going to be good this year anyhow).

Gary's offense sucks bro, its a run first system that limits QB's to one read on most plays. That's why Brock left. There is no checking out of plays or changing things.

Just wait till one of you QB's get killed on a roll-out.

I think Lynch has a "chance" but honestly with how tall he is I worry about Gary rolling him out and some LB just breaking one of his freaking legs.

Didn't Denver win it all with a turnover machine last year? Look I ****ing hate the Broncos but Elway always gets his guy and usually is successful.

That logic is so flawed because Denver was very close to being a WC and not winning the SB if it weren't for QB play week 17. They won a ridiculous amount of close games last year. Not to mention their defense won't be as strong.

As for your last sentence, there's a huge difference between signing Peyton as a FA and drafting/developing your own QB. I wouldn't exactly call Brock a "success".

Yup. Defense was lights out last year.

Manning had 1 INT and 2 FUM in the playoffs with the 1 INT and 1 FUM coming in the Super Bowl. Hardly the same as the regular season debacle though.


Overall, I'd have to say that Denver regressed this offseason on both sides of the ball. Here's my thoughts...

QB - Peyton Manning and Brock Osweiler out, Mark Sanchez and Paxton Lynch in. Significant loss.

RB - Devontae Booker added. Could be a big gain if Booker continues what he did in college.

LT - Ryan Clady out. Russel Okung in. Wash. Both have health problems.

LG - Evan Mathis out. Max Garcia back in. Wash.

RG - Louis Vasquez out. Conner McGovern in. Looks like a gain.

RT - Tyler Polumbus and Ryan Harris out. Donald Stephenson in. Loss, Stephenson is terrible.

TE - Owen Daniels, Richard Gordon, Nick Kasa, Vernon Davis out. Garrett Graham, healthy Jeff Heuerman. Heuerman might end up an Owen Daniels-type long-term but Daniels was always solid and Garrett Graham sucks. Going with a significant loss initially.

DE - Malik Jackson out. Jared Crick and Adam Gotsis in. They may want to consider starting Vance Walker. Significant loss.

OLB - DeMarcus Ware turning 34. Likely to continue to slow down and deteriorate. Shane Ray will have to step up more. Calling it a wash.

ILB - Danny Trevathan out. Whoever on the roster takes over, likely Corey Nelson, in. Significant loss.

3rd S - David Bruton out. Justin Simmons in. Gain.

4th S - Omar Bolden out. Will Parks in. Can't be any worse. Wash at worst.

Clady didn't play last year. Ryan Harris was playing out of position at LT for us last year, Okung is a massive improvement over him.

Michael Schofield was our starting RT, not Harris or Polumbus. Stephenson is a much better player than Schofield. We also have Ty Sambrailo coming back from injury this year. Our tackle situation is much better than it was last year.

The QB production will drop simply bc of IQ disparity between Manning and Sanchez/Lynch.
The Broncos struggling OL was masked by Manning in games last year bc he saw the coverages and exploited them. Hell he did it against us at Arrowhead when he made Fleming his bitch. Manning read blitzes and audibled into the right play to counter like he always has.

That's a significant downgrade that Sanchez and a first year QB who's never had to read a defense simply can't provide.


I think Denver will miss Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathan a lot next year as well. He interior rush and speed/experience at ILB really made Denver's defense more flexible.

Denver's O line looks just as atrocious as last year...wow

Cupcake schedule... that's funny.

QB IQ is definitely a huge loss and is not replaced right now.

I didn't pay attention that much. Thought it was kind of a revolving door of shuffled shit though. IIRC Sambrailo started out at LT with Harris at RT and then Harris got moved to LT when Sambrailo went down at the end of September? Sambrailo was a huge project from a strength standpoint when drafted and will still be a backup to Okung so long as he's healthy.

I know Polumbus was a backup swing. Forgot to mention that Schofield started most of the year when Harris moved though, but he's still on board. Basically, I'm saying Stephenson is worse than Harris or Polumbus. You'd probably be better off with Schofield continuing to start at RT and hoping he improves. Actually, Schofield wasn't that bad in the playoffs. You're throwing two turds against the wall, question is which one sticks.

Either way, the Broncos offensive line still looks really offensive, which isn't good for a Quarterback prone to forcing turnovers under pressure and another that's a very raw rookie.

Denver's defense bailed them out with like 6 or 7 TDs...it's pretty much the main reason they made the playoffs. Those were some close games. Expecting that point production to be duplicated isn't very realistic ...especially when the guts of the interior left. Take Poe and DJ off KC and see if they stay the same...

What if Sanchez gets hurt? They have no back-up with game experience...Osweiler stepped in and salvaged their season. I have to say the pressure to start Lynch would be pretty big...

Sanchez and a shaky o-line is not a good combination.

For those who are bad at math...that's 105 turnovers in 75 games...I would imagine those 30 fumbles he didn't lose, didn't result in positive yards.

I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

I said I thought Brock looked pretty good.....better than I thought he was going to be.

Too bad Lynch wont's have 3 years to learn behind Manning...he'll have training camp and around 6 games to pick Sanchez's mind.

Brock didn't even play until last year and Malik wasn't even a starter, so yea....

Brock, sure. Malik and Danny, though, that's just stupid talk.

Malik Jackson was huge for you guys. He's a big loss on your front line. Acting otherwise is just being sour he left and nothing more. Even in 2014 and 2013 when he didn't log "starts," he was really a starter logging starter's stats.

Losing a 100+ tackle linebacker that's also good in coverage isn't a loss? Being injured in 2014 doesn't count as being a bum. The guy produced in 2013 as well. Hope your roster replacement sucks dog shit just to prove how solid of a player Trevathan is.

Yep...now they are on the Sanchez PR hype train. Without drafting Lynch, and not signing Kap...things would be pretty bleak.

Landing Lynch has over-shadowed the reality that Sanchez is the starter for 2016. Hope is important to sell tickets...

I'd imagine, after the draft dust settles, fans are going to come to terms with the situation Elway's ego has put them in...

The future of Denver is, now, squarely on the shoulders of Lynch being able to quickly acclimate to a pro-style offense. If he is slow in his development...it could be a 3-4 year mistake.

Osweiler bailing out...really screwed Elway. He had been grooming him for this exact scenario/Manning's retirement... got caught with his drawers down...

I've said Malik and Danny are good players. People here were saying they wouldn't even start on the Chiefs, and those same people are now saying how good they were.