Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 14631553)

I'm going emphasize the need to get Hardman involved in this offense and bench Watkins. Hardman paired with the Cheetah we are unstoppable because they can't match us and that leaves Kelce match ups even better. I'm so flustered that they trot out Watkins and not give Hardman the experience he needs for our success on the field.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14631563)

The problem is that Hardman simply can't be trusted to know the route tree at this point.

Mahomes has such a great grasp of this offense that he KNOWS where guys are supposed to be and he's gonna throw to that spot expecting them to be there. Meanwhile, by most accounts, it's virtually impossible for a rookie to absorb the playbook in a single season and Hardman is green even for a rookie given his lack of development at UGA.

Hardman was always a long-game guy; a ceiling over floor pick. Had they gone with McLaurin I would say that's a viable option. But I just don't see how you can put someone like Hardman out there as a starter. It's not because he may not be as effective as Watkins (he almost certainly would be), it's because the plays in-between could be far more disastrous.

A QB throwing to 1 spot when the WR runs to another is how pick 6s happen in the post-season. I just can't talk myself into starting Hardman despite how tired I am of seeing Watkins.

That said...you could probably convince me to start Pringle. 2nd year in the system, gets plenty of practice reps, has a physical style similar to Sammy so he could be used in the same ways.

I'm just !@#$ing done with Sammy Watkins, man.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14631563)

The problem is that Hardman simply can't be trusted to know the route tree at this point.

Mahomes has such a great grasp of this offense that he KNOWS where guys are supposed to be and he's gonna throw to that spot expecting them to be there. Meanwhile, by most accounts, it's virtually impossible for a rookie to absorb the playbook in a single season and Hardman is green even for a rookie given his lack of development at UGA.

Hardman was always a long-game guy; a ceiling over floor pick. Had they gone with McLaurin I would say that's a viable option. But I just don't see how you can put someone like Hardman out there as a starter. It's not because he may not be as effective as Watkins (he almost certainly would be), it's because the plays in-between could be far more disastrous.

A QB throwing to 1 spot when the WR runs to another is how pick 6s happen in the post-season. I just can't talk myself into starting Hardman despite how tired I am of seeing Watkins.

That said...you could probably convince me to start Pringle. 2nd year in the system, gets plenty of practice reps, has a physical style similar to Sammy so he could be used in the same ways.

I'm just !@#$ing done with Sammy Watkins, man.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14631573)

Eh, I see Dj already addressed that.

After watching some cutups of the game Sunday, there was definitely some opportunity to get the ball to Watkins, just didn't work out. Need to force it to him a bit.

Also, Kelce was bad Sunday. Drops early, I'm pretty sure on the jump ball over the middle he caught he ran the wrong route and just stood there like a stooge and happen to catch a pass.

He goes thru stretches where he's just unfocused or something.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14631570)

I am curious if anyone has watched the All-22 to see if Watkins is getting open or if the OL just isn't giving Pat enough time or maybe Pat isn't seeing him. It is hard to tell on TV what is all going on.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14631577)

I’m sure it’s pretty hard to stay focused 100% of the game when the other team is allowed to basically rape you in the first 5 yards and then anything after 5 yards they get away with.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14631583)

I suppose that's fair. I'm just vaguely disgusted by his general countenance and seeming ambivalence out there. And when I DO make a point to watch him, he seems to be moving at practice pace rather than game speed.

But I admittedly can't claim to have gone in-depth on the guy to see what he's actually doing out there. Maybe Mahomes isn't getting through his progressions as well (afterall, Robinson's scramble drill plays have largely vanished as well - the play erased by penalty last week is the first I can think of in a long while). Maybe he's simply a forgotten man and being a relatively subdued guy, isn't demanding the ball so he isn't getting it.

But I'm sure not seeing a guy who appears to be making himself vital out there. I may make a point to give him a more focused look during the Broncos game.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14631564)

I'm good with how Hardman is used as a receiver. But we really need to use him a ton more in DATs role. Lot more jet sweeps, underneath routes. We've got to do a much much better job getting our fast guys underneath the coverages and it doesn't take a huge route tree to do that.

I don't know what the hell is up with Watkins. But if he's not 100% I'd rather slide Pringle in there.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14631536)

Brady is showing some decline at 42. No Gronk. But..... if we think they are ready to fall, the dynasty ends this year? Lets remember they have the best coach in the history of the NFL. He hasn't lost his fastball. Brady still is a very smart QB and plays with hard and with passion, hates to lose even with all the SB trophies and a super model wife. They are not going down without anything less than our best effort.


We beat them twice. It wasn't like they had bad games, we, well Mahomes were just better. But, anthing less than our best effort, we lose.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14631592)

It’s not taboo. Other people have mentioned it.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14631602)

It's not wrong, either.

But it's also worth pointing out that 'Off Mahomes' is still as good as anyone in the game. And buying into that theory kinda requires that we ignore what he did against TN - he was a monster in that game.

Eh, we'll see. I agree he's looked more like a mere Hall of Fame contender rather than the guy we should probably just erect a completely new building for. I was looking forward to the grand opening of the Hall of Mahomes across the street in Canton.

We may just want to hold off on scheduling the ribbon cutting ceremony just yet.