26 games. Some chance. Herm is 13-13.

Do you know what Vermeil's record as a Chief was after 26 games?

11-15.

I wonder how well he knows how to build a competent offense. I'm not big Vermeil guy, but it took him all of one full season to build a very good offense, and two full seasons to build a dominating offense.

Herm, conversely, has taken this knowledge and done the same with the defense. Well, not exactly the same. This defense isn't exactly dominating, but it is good.

As a fan, I just get sick of seeing the scale tipped so heavily from one side to the other.

But we didn't recover it.

But if we want to play hypotheticals, let's play. OK, we recover it -- and run twice, gain 5 yards, then throw a 4-yard pass on 3rd down and then punt. Or get sacked in an obvious passing down. Or throw incomplete. Or run for it on 3rd down and fall short. In other words, what if we recovered -- and STILL didn't convert?

Here's another hypothetical. What if we threw deep once and got a pass interference penalty that set us up for a short FG or even a TD?

What if? What if? What if? With all due respect, that's all your post is. And although it begins on a defensive play that didn't happen, it still assumes the offense must convert it -- which is no different than all the other what-ifs the critics are throwing out.

We whittled the game down to one possession in the 4th quarter. So what did we do?

1) Run for loss; short pass; short pass; punt
2) Run for no gain; short pass; PASS FOR FIRST DOWN (!); rush for loss; rush for loss; draw; punt.

We had the ball -- just like in your scenario. What did we do with it? We played scared.

Here's what's frustrating -- Herm's game plan WORKED, right up to the point where he FAILED TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. He undermined his entire philosophy.

It's like finally scoring a date with the hot chick, and then being too afraid to give her a goodnight kiss.

For my part, it's not about throwing the ball 70 times, Mr. Samson. I have no desire to watch the Chiefs play stupid ball. My angst is fostered by a few items and that's not one of them.

1) Not playing for the first down. It should be clear by now that, 8 times out of 10, we are looking for the first with a prayer and a run or pass short of the sticks.

2) Not playing the entire field. This has been talked about so much on this board, I won't repeat it. Suffice it to say that we've been challenging defenses 5 to 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

3) Dumb ass excuses. I'm sick and tired of Herm's spin. "Our playcalling couldn't get in rhythm because we had too many three and outs." Apparently, he has cause and effect backwards in his mind.

4) Intimating that the "common eyed" fans don't know their ass hole from the face on Mars when it comes to football.

Most of the Planeteers are very astute when it comes to football. In fact, many could coach. As for myself, I'm just tired of the lies and spin. If Herm would come out and say, "I've struggled getting this team prepared offensively, but we're working on it.", my respect for him would increase 1000 fold.

FAX

Why does this article make me think of the Brits. Marching down the road in powdered wigs and snappy uniforms. Marching in step, a drummer sounding out the beat.

Mean while in the trees & bushes, the colonist, rifles in hand. Are picking them off like ducks. Ducks that have their feet frozen in a lake

When Herm head coaches in 2 SB's and actually wins one then he deserves that chance otherwise he doesn't.

Gun got fired after 2 seasons and he was .500 Herm won't be at .500 come the end of this year.

Vermeil inherited a 7-9 team, in cap hell, that was in total dissarray. Edwards inherited a 10-6 team, full of high caliber players.

Vermeil took the offense from 9th to 1st in two years, Edwards has taken it from 1st to 30th.

Go to Hell Herm... this team is going no where as long as you're the HC

Exactly. Do we really have ridiculously conservative play calling because we have more 3 & outs than the rest of the league or do we have more 3 & outs than the rest of the league because of the ridiculously conservative play calling?
IMO, it’s the later.

I understand, but DV was given 4 additional years to try and fix the D. Doesn't Herm deserve more than 1 to try and fix the O?

We've been over this before. The notion that Herm inherited some talent-laden team is ridiculous. The offense was in sharp decline as soon as he got here. The defense was in shambles.

Bottom line...Herm deserves more of a chance.

ROFL

Willie Roaf? Gone.
Will Shields? Gone.
Trent Green? Gone.
Eddie Kennison? Almost 35 years old and breaking down.
Priest Holmes? 2 years removed from football and 34 years old.


Beyond LJ, Waters and TonyG, what high caliber players did Herm inherit on O?

it's an enigma wrapped in a cheesburger....

mmmm....cheeseburger :drool:

mmmmm ... enigma :drool: