Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14082615)

Yeah a lot of fans have no clue what the average mid-low 1st round pick performs like. I see it all the time around here.

I don't know if you are one of them.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14082502)

Tagged players traded? I can think of 1. Nobdoy is trading for a one trick pony. He's far from a complete player.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14082059)

Everything I keep hearing from people who actually talk to people associated with the Chiefs basically imply that Tanoh and Speaks playing 3-4 OLB was dumb as ****. No wonder these guys haven’t looked good. They aren’t built to be in ****ing coverage, ever.

I think these guys have potential in a 4-3 as DE’s.

And for the “Speaks is too slow!” crowd...Michael Bennett and Derek Barnett ran slower times than him. Let’s see what he can do in a position to succeed instead of being set up to fail.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14082502)

Tagged players traded? I can think of 1. Nobdoy is trading for a one trick pony. He's far from a complete player.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14082502)

Tagged players traded? I can think of 1. Nobdoy is trading for a one trick pony. He's far from a complete player.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14082642)

Then the Chiefs just rescind the tag. Unless you think he's going to sign it immediately.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14082055)

Speaks isn't a pass rusher though. In college, he was largely a run-stuffing 4-3 DE that slid inside. To my knowledge, he had never really rushed the passer without his hand in the dirt before he joined the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14082055)

Speaks isn't a pass rusher though. In college, he was largely a run-stuffing 4-3 DE that slid inside. To my knowledge, he had never really rushed the passer without his hand in the dirt before he joined the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14082776)

I don't think Spagnuolo had any gentlemen's agreement with Reid. I DO think it likely that Reid had decided that interior pass rush was the key to disrupting today's very quick passing game, and a one gap, attacking 4-3 was something he wanted to move to. I think he didn't want to change the GM and then the QB and defense all at once, and so decided with the contracts on hand to play out one last season with the current 3-4 personnel and alignment while he handed the keys to his young QB on offense. He wanted to be able to concentrate on that without concerning himself with the defense for a season. Problem was, the apt pupil was more advanced than anyone imagined, and Mahomes had an MVP season and that tired old defensive scheme bit him in the ass.

But looking at last year's draft it sure looks like they were positioning themselves to move out of the 3-4.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14080889)

I think he's incredibly overrated, and that there is little chance he's here. You should just prepare yourself. But it'll be okay.

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14082600)

Dee Ford is so underappreciated by some fans. Crazy stuff.

Originally Posted by JohnDONsey (Post 14082831)

The thing with Ford that’s so tough is that’s he’s just so insanely one dimensional. Granted, he’s among the best in that dimension, but the rest of his game is mostly non existent. He’s a liability of 2/3 downs and an elite player on 1. Is that worth a huge chunk of cap space? It’s a real debate.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14081510)

one thing to consider, is that we have just entered a long window of opportunity with a once-in-a-generation talent at QB. Yes, we have 2 years on his rookie deal, but more important than that is that we need to set up long term organizational health and a plan for player development.

the traditionally expensive positions are QB, pass rusher, CB, LT, WR.
We've got a QB and QR 'bout to get paid. We have an unusual DT talent 'bout to get paid. We've got to figure out what we're going to do with Ford and Houston, one who already got paid, one 'bout to.

CB is a spot where we'll need to draft, develop, and then let them go before we have to pay that huge second contract. Your FA's have to be reclamation projects or less expensive positions.

We've got 3 picks in the first two rounds. Probably one more coming with a Trade and Tag for Ford.

We need a couple of corners and a DE/edge guy in those 3 picks. And they need to be hits.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14082886)

Aside from the obvious drafting well, I’d like to see us offload talented players we don’t plan on resigning.
Dee Ford is a possibility this year, though I don’t see Andy doing that unfortunately.

I think we need to trade Sammy Watkins after 2019. He simply isn’t worth the money and his value should be worth a 2nd rd pick. Recoup value and get another cheap, young player to replace them.

Pats are great at this. Just did it with Brandin Cooks.