Veach has drafted some ok players. John Dorsey drafted superstars.

He brought this franchise a championship and should be in the ring of honor some day.

Ok John…we get it…

Veach's first draft was shit. But his last draft was great. Draft like last year with all our picks and the Chiefs will be awfully annoying to play against for another 7-8 year run.

You need to mix in those that were drafted at least 10 picks after each of those at 30-39 and 51-60, and could probably expand that even further with Veach and team's ability to scout talent. Tyreek was a 5th round pick...

I think you'll get very little argument that the 2018 draft was a complete disaster.

But from that point forward he's been good to very good.

Thornhill, Fenton and Allegrett are all very good picks for where they were taken. And even Hardman is giving us a fair amount more value than MANY guys taken in the 2nd that year. And he was taken near the back of it. Moreover, he really hit his stride down the stretch last year and there's reason to believe he can continue to progress.

Gay and Sneed have been very good picks, even Danna has been a contributor as a 5th round afterthought.

And last year obviously had Bolton and Humphrey, but Smith was a MONSTER of a pick as well. A 6th rounder becomes a rookie starting G and plays the position as well as all but a handful of guys in the league? Lord, that's an amazing pick.

HRs: Bolton, Humphrey, Smith, Sneed

Doubles off the wall: Gay and Thornhill, both of whom are likely HRs but/for injuries. Hardman's a double but he's rounding second and may make that into a hustle triple before all is said and done. Fenton is also a double but could easily be more than that if he emerges in a starting role this year.

Solid singles: Danna and Allegretti - 3rd day depth contributors are absolutely vital to maintaining roster depth. Nnadi has been a 3 year starter who is staying in the league after his rookie deal as a 3rd rounder - that's more than most will get from that pick.

He has 8 good to very good picks in 4 drafts with a few more really solid ones in there. Yes, Speaks busted in a BIG way and CEH has disappointed, but that's the draft for you. Nobody bats 1.000.

If you add 2-3 starters per draft to your club, you're doing extremely well.

After a rocky start, there is little to nothing to complain about with Veach's draft record.

It will be an emotional day for many when John Dorsey makes his return to Arrowhead.

I cant thank that man enough for all the memories he provided over these last few years.

Veach Super Stars

-Creed/Smith
-Potential Super Stars Gay/Snead/Bolton
-Good Fenton/Hardman

2018 draft sticks out as a huge swing and miss for veach

Sneed and Gay.

Thornhill was well on his way and had a fluke injury. Hardman is finding his way guys - not sure why so many are so eager to shovel dirt on him (and this is from a guy who didn't like the pick from the second it was made). If Fenton is even 80% as good as a starter as he was as a 3rd CB, that's an ENORMOUS win.

You're not really being fair here.

If he was so good he would have a job and not been fired twice in three years

Yes it does.

But it's fair to say he's trending in the right direction, no?

guys, we won a SB with a 'stars and scrubs' roster. Then we made one more.

But the lack of quality depth cost us that ring, and now the bill has come due.

No, you're not going to replace Hill with any ONE PLAYER. But other offenses are just as productive with a combination of guys if not more so, and that's what we'll need to do going forward.

This is the Way.

The 2018 draft he didn't have his people in place so I kinda give him a pass there

Super excited to see the pre draft visit list this year. Gotta figure it's WR, CB, and DE heavy, especially the top 30.

even that is a false equivalency. There are 5 picks in the trade, and it freed up $20 plus million a year. So pick a late first, a late second, two fourths, and a sixth round pick and then $20 million worth of free agent signings.

This Dorsey stuff is schtick, right?