This is where I'm at. I can live with a rookie receiver running a bad route that leads to an INT. That's going to happen. I can live with the fact that we have enough depth to not force him into a big role too early.

But let's end the punt return experiment. That's clearly not a strong suit of his.

I usually like reading DJLN's posts and I usually agree with him. But he is not always correct. And frankly, I think he's wrong on this one. Time will tell, I guess.

You do know this is CP right? People still complain about CEH over Taylor and Hardman over DK.

Good lord, I get we’re spoiled around here and all and we all love Veach and Reid, but do most (some) Chiefs fans really expect us to draft the best or close to best at every position every year? I mean, **** people, there are 31 other teams in the NFL with front offices and scouts that get paid a shit ton of money to make the best personnel decisions for their team too.

Yeah, we drafted CEH over Taylor. You know who else passed on Taylor before Indy drafted him? 29 other teams. It’s not like we were talking about Marshall Faulk or Eric Dickerson here. Taylor was not an obvious ‘must have’ pick for teams that were looking for a RB. In hindsight, we shouldn’t have drafted CEH, but neither Taylor, who wouldn’t have been utilized in this offense the way he is in Indy. If we were wanting to increase the explosiveness of our offense, we should have grabbed a WR like Tee Higgins or Claypool. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

As far as comparing McDuffie or Moore to ANYONE right now, it’s an exercise in futility at this point. We’re not even halfway into their rookie seasons yet. That story has not been written yet. And that’s not even taking into account McDuffie has been injured (thanks to a stupid field) and only played a half of football and Moore’s situation (4th on the WR depth chart) is completely different than Pickens, who basically is being treated like a #1 or #2 WR on a weekly basis and being force fed the ball. The situations are completely different and not even remotely comparable. Put Pickens on the Chiefs and Moore on the Steelers and what do you think each guys numbers look like right now?

I swear some in this thread need to get a grip on reality . . . . . .

The comparisons will stop when he inevitably becomes a meltdown machine. He’s a hell of a talent but not one we need right now. We’re seeing very quickly what Elijah Moore is doing pouting on a team that is otherwise in very good spirits.

What I said was that he's not an inside only guy, and this has been said by Andy as well. I don't doubt that he will be lining up in the slot a lot, but I think he will play outside too.

I agree with pretty much everything you said here. Like it or not the comparisons are inevitable. It’s too early to say that Moore was a bad pick. I was really excited about him when we picked him and was even more excited after the reports from training camp. I think it’s fair to say though that the start to his career has been a disaster. I know he came from a small school and that takes a while to learn Andy’s offense but that doesn’t excuse the fumbles on punts.

For the record, I do think that Veach is a good gm but he’s certainly not above criticism. The good news is that we’re 5 and 2 with an underwhelming contribution (so far) from the 2022 draft class.

It's odd to me that people expect young WRs to get a significant number of snaps. Andy ALWAYS protects young guys. Add that to the fact that Skyy has looked...let's just say iffy...and I don't expect that to change much.

I'm not down on the kid and think he has a lot of upside. But it's pretty clear that we need to give him a chance to develop a bit before he's gonna move the needle much for us.

You can say this in regards to his career as a PR, but that should've never been a thing in the first place.

If you're saying this in regards to him as a WR, that's just ridiculous hyperbole.

It's amazing that people can't separate him as a WR from him as a PR.

Apparently, most people have trouble distinguishing the difference between a pass and a punt. It's OverreactionPlanet, what do you expect?

For me though it all comes down to who is good during the scramble drill and who can think on their feet. Kelce can do it. Hardman can't. Some of it is just natural. And so far Skyy hasn't shown he can do it. Per the coaches anyway. I'll be honest I didn't see any issue with some of Skyys routes but obv coaches and Mahomes know what he should be doing and he's just not doing it.

The only thing I would have changed from yesterday is once we had assured the win, I would have manufactured some plays to Skyy. Even in the years they were slow rolling Hill and Hardman they'd toss them a screen or put them on a jet sweep to get them involved in the offense. We're not doing that for Skyy. Wish they would have done that just to keep his spirits up and just get the ball in his hands to get easy yards and possibly a breakout play.

Why do you need to separate the two when discussing the contributions we've rec'd from a 2nd round pick thus far? Especially when the overwhelming majority of the impact he's made to this point has been as a returner and has been detrimental.

And I'm not someone who says 2nd rounders should be immediate starters or anything like that.

But thus far the kid has 6 catches for 100 yards through 7 games - that ain't great.

As a WR, he and Justin Watson have been 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other. Over the last 4 weeks Moore has been getting about 20 snaps/gm - roughly 1/3 of the game. He's put up 5 catches in those 4 games. 11 targets for 70 yards.

He just...exists. He ain't bringing much to the party here, fellas.

I mean the production is very clearly underwhelming.

22% of the snaps with 12 targets. How much production are we expecting?

Again, I just cited his last 4 games. 1/3 of the snaps and 11 targets got him 5 catches.

That seems like solid production to you?

Because here's the frustrating part - no matter what - some folks would've had an excuse for him.

Give him 2 historically pedestrian veteran WRs in front of him and it's "Well he can't get any targets with those two guys in front of him!!" but setting aside that they ain't exactly Taylor and Rice here, take those two away and you'd have just pivoted. It would be "Well he's the only weapon they have, defenses can key on him!!!"

Right now it's "well Andy Reid has a really complicated scheme..." but if the Broncos had drafted him it'd be "Well what do you expect, Hackett ****ing sucks!"

Y'all just want him to be good soooooooo baaaaaaad that you won't just acknowledge whats in front of you. A 1/3 snap share yielding a sub 50% catch rate and less than 7 yards/target ain't good. At all.

Where was your bold prediction on him prior to the season? You really gonna say that by the bye week you would've expected him to be on pace for about 15 catches and 250 yards?

I suspect not. He's disappointed to this point.