OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech to Pac-12

Mizzou to SEC

Remaining Big 12 teams merge with Big East.

i'd much rather ku in the pac than the big east even though the time zone thing blows...

pac 12(?) has a football foundation to keep it solid...

Mondo's says MU to SEC by Tuesday!

I think MU goes to the Big 10. Good point about Notre Dame wonder how many more seasons before they become non-prestigious.

Mondo?

Hard for me to see ku make the cut for the Pac-12/16, because TX and OU will likely be forced to bring their little brothers along for the ride.

Big East will not be a bad deal for ku, it will easily be the dominant basketball conference and will maintain BCS automatic qualifier status with the new Big 12 teams.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't see the Big Ten expanding anymore until ND is ready, and I also think they think they have enough of the KC and STL markets with Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois. I think they want to expand East.

Are you not on Tigerboard? Mondo is a living legend.

I'm an old Big 8 fan. I just hate the thought of KU, KSU, and ISU playing Rutgers and the likes. I want to see good old Mid-Western matchups.

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Mizzou, KU, and KSU would make a great schedule every year IMO.

Illinois isn't that big in the St. Louis market.

It's probably like 70% Mizzou/20% Illini/ 10% KU

Greek Myth status at this point.

Same here. I'm just saying what I think will happen, not necessarily what I want to happen.

The Big 8 f'd up. We were all way too naive and let Texas come into our house and start telling us what to do. It sucks that they have single-handedly killed our conference and tradition.

Oh I know, but they have enough of a toehold to push the Big Ten onto cable providers in the area. If it's not on now, it will be eventually, and that is what matters.

The SEC doesn't have any of the Missouri market, and adding Mizzou would enable them to do the same in KC and STL.

You guys got any sort of Husker following out there?

A little, maybe. There's a Wisconsin following, though.

Yep. If I was the North 4 teams... ISU, Mizzou, KSU, KU... I would band together and make one pitch to the Big 10. If they get rejected... then everyman for himself.

Dan Beebe. Him too.

Best Guess:

MU to the Big Ten or SEC?

There is no way the Big Ten will take ISU...the Hawkeyes already own that state & ISU wouldn't bring anything new to the conference. I'm not sure how much KSU & KU would bring either...Wichita & Topeka are decent size but I think the Big Ten is looking for a new footprint which means MD or VA or Rutgers or Pitt.

I think when it becomes obvious there will be 4 Super Conferences, Notre Dame will make the Big Ten move because the writing will be on the wall for a Final Four for the National Championship & ND won't be left out of that scenario.

apparently OU announcer on radio just said OU, OSU, Texas and either MIssouri or TT are a DONE DEAL to PAC 12

Time to fap?

I'd still make the pitch. A year ago, I am not sure if any team of those 4 besides Mizzou even tested the waters outside of the Big 12. I'd make an offer... and not just assume anything at this point. If they say no... then start looking for the bext deal available.

Mike Alden is such an idiot. He is surprised OU is talking about leaving? Really? He needs to be sent packing today. He is completely incompetent.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...sident-remarks

"I think Mizzou's on solid ground," Alden said. "I think we don't have to necessarily land on our feet, we are on our feet. I think our leadership has done a good job."

Sure, Mike, the school's ok, but the conference you seem to be wanting to support is going up in flames. I'd love to see him echo the statement of Pinkel a day or so ago.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ed-source-says

ESPN's Joe Schad is reporting that OU and Texas are again talking with the Pac 12 about adding Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU to form the Pac 16. Doesn't sound like anything set in stone, but it's being tossed around.

I wonder if that happens, it will just be what they were talking about where ISU, KSU, Kansas, and Mizzou go to the Big East. Or maybe Mizzou and ND end up going to Big10.

I thought Notre Dame was 100% going to the Big 12?!

:)

Welp, KU is fukced.

Most likely...

Why is no one talking about the idea of Texas going independent? They have their own network now. Buy did it, why not Texas .....they don't care about anyone except themselves anyway

OSU's Boone Pickens chides Texas, predicts Big 12's demise

While Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds professed his love for the Big 12, Oklahoma State billionaire booster Boone Pickens says the league won't last much longer.

Pickens believes the Cowboys will end up in the Pac-12, with Oklahoma. He largely blames Texas' insistence on creating the Longhorn Network.

"The network could have been the straw that broke the camel's back," Pickens said.

Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying ‘aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."

Dodds says Texas will be watching to see what happens over the next few days if Oklahoma decides to leave the Big 12.

Texas A&M has announced its plans to leave the Big 12. Oklahoma President David Boren on Friday acknowledged multiple conferences have shown interest in the Sooners. He said OU is likely to decide within three weeks whether it is staying or going.

Dodds says Texas will be fine no matter what happens to the Big 12.

Pickens doesn't want OSU to make a hasty decision.

"Don't rush the monkey and you'll see a better show," Pickens said. "We don't have to decide this weekend.

"This conversation is going to come up every year as long as the conference is not equal. You've got to have an equal deal like the SEC."

Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said he is willing to listen if Oklahoma or anyone else wants to join his conference.

Scott said that "schools have reached out to us."

He said that the courtship is different from last year, when the league was looking for expansion candidates. "Any suggestion whatsoever that our conference is being predatory, that's just wrong," Scott said.

Pickens said TCU is the logical choice if the Big 12 wants to add a 10th team following Texas A&M's departure. He says Notre Dame and BYU wouldn't be good fits for the conference.

"Notre Dame already has a network and they're damaged merchandise, as far as I'm concerned," Pickens said. "I don't want Notre Dame. And BYU? Who in the hell knows where Provo, Utah, is? The natural one is TCU.

"You can fix the Big 12 now, but it's got to go to an equal deal, and it's not equal."

Missouri athletic director Mike Alden did not go as far as OU's Boren, but hinted Missouri might be ready to leave.

"I'm saying we're being aggressive on the things we need to be aggressive on," Alden said. "We're working on improving Mizzou's brand every day. That's what we do."

Missouri coach Gary Pinkel said Friday, "You don't hear anything about any other league in the country having these kinds of problems. We all know where it starts."

http://www.statesman.com/sports/coll...s-1818353.html

The BE is great! For CBBall. I cringe at not having that solid footing that big name college football provides. Especially for have nots like my team.

I mean I'd love to go to MSG for the BE ball tourney. Without anchors like OU, UT and to a lesser degree Nubb, it's going to be difficult to maintain a BCS program. (IMO)

OSU's Boone Pickens chides Texas, predicts Big 12's demise

While Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds professed his love for the Big 12, Oklahoma State billionaire booster Boone Pickens says the league won't last much longer.

Pickens believes the Cowboys will end up in the Pac-12, with Oklahoma. He largely blames Texas' insistence on creating the Longhorn Network.

"The network could have been the straw that broke the camel's back," Pickens said.

Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying ‘aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."

Dodds says Texas will be watching to see what happens over the next few days if Oklahoma decides to leave the Big 12.

Texas A&M has announced its plans to leave the Big 12. Oklahoma President David Boren on Friday acknowledged multiple conferences have shown interest in the Sooners. He said OU is likely to decide within three weeks whether it is staying or going.

Dodds says Texas will be fine no matter what happens to the Big 12.

Pickens doesn't want OSU to make a hasty decision.

"Don't rush the monkey and you'll see a better show," Pickens said. "We don't have to decide this weekend.

"This conversation is going to come up every year as long as the conference is not equal. You've got to have an equal deal like the SEC."

Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said he is willing to listen if Oklahoma or anyone else wants to join his conference.

Scott said that "schools have reached out to us."

He said that the courtship is different from last year, when the league was looking for expansion candidates. "Any suggestion whatsoever that our conference is being predatory, that's just wrong," Scott said.

Pickens said TCU is the logical choice if the Big 12 wants to add a 10th team following Texas A&M's departure. He says Notre Dame and BYU wouldn't be good fits for the conference.

"Notre Dame already has a network and they're damaged merchandise, as far as I'm concerned," Pickens said. "I don't want Notre Dame. And BYU? Who in the hell knows where Provo, Utah, is? The natural one is TCU.

"You can fix the Big 12 now, but it's got to go to an equal deal, and it's not equal."

Missouri athletic director Mike Alden did not go as far as OU's Boren, but hinted Missouri might be ready to leave.

"I'm saying we're being aggressive on the things we need to be aggressive on," Alden said. "We're working on improving Mizzou's brand every day. That's what we do."

Missouri coach Gary Pinkel said Friday, "You don't hear anything about any other league in the country having these kinds of problems. We all know where it starts."

http://www.statesman.com/sports/coll...s-1818353.html

The BE is great! For CBBall. I cringe at not having that solid footing that big name college football provides. Especially for have nots like my team.

I mean I'd love to go to MSG for the BE ball tourney. Without anchors like OU, UT and to a lesser degree Nubb, it's going to be difficult to maintain a BCS program. (IMO)

yup. I just saw the clip from Zenger on kusports.com and its clear that he's blindsided from whats going on in OU.

Well it is interesting. My take on Texas before the Aggie exit was that after keeping the B12 together they were going to use these next few years with the 10 team Big 12 to get LHN off the ground and gain steam. When it was going full force they were gonna go independent.

I wonder how much the problems with the LHN and the craziness of not doing things on their schedule (which doesnt happen alot to Texas) has changed their desire to want to pull the trigger on going Indie.

Those idiots are going to sit around and hope someone drags them along. When they should be out sucking the dick of any BCS conference that will take them...

Otherwise its hello midwest plains FBS/FCS or DII conference... LMAO

ACC here we come. ;)

more like sunbelt conference her we come...

Another thought crossed my mind. Maybe Texas is thinking that right now in time being independent would be good for Texas. But what does the NCAA landscape look next year? 3 years from now? 5? 10?

I wonder if the unknown nature of all the huge changes happening around the country makes them think being aligned with a big time conference is simply the smart move.

PAC has an interesting policy amongst the schools - they all have veto power, and joining the conference must be unanimous. My best guess is that the PAC would be inclined towards OU and KU. Last thing they want to due is invite the 800 pound gorilla into the room and give Texas the authority to veto everything the west coast teams want to do to advance their conference. Texas would do to the PAC exactly what they've done to the Big 12 and the SWC. They're a freakin' cancer... with big fake hair and fake tits.

Your argument makes sense... but this is all about $$. And Texas football is where the money is... not KU football. And worst case scenario for the Pac 12/14/16/29, at least they get OU and OSU football and say screw the rest of them.

I didn't know about the veto structure Braincase talked about. I wouldn't be surprised if there was mass expansion for a conference like the PAC to change the decision making structure. The bigger a conference is (aside from the idea of Texas being mad dickish) the less an easy type veto system makes sense.

I'm actually thinking KU, MU and KSU go to the Big East. I know MU may have options, but I think they would prefer the Big East to the SEC for three reasons:

Preserves rivalries with KU and KSU
Easier path to conference championship
Mizzou prides itself on its academic reputation and the SEC doesn't help that

Those three pair with TCU, South Florida and Louisville and they get to keep the Texas recruiting lines they've established plus try and stake out Florida as well.

The conference would still be an AQ conference though obviously devoid of heavyweights. It won't warrant a contract on the level of the Big Three, but it should still be a sizable deal, especially since all that Big XII money will be freed up.

Plus, all three of those schools are basketball schools as well and a 20 team conference would surely offer Kansas City a part of a huge basketball tournament. You would have to hold initial rounds at two different sites with maybe a Final Four to New York?

KC would still be a vital college sports town.

What do you think Tiggers? Do you like that or do you think the Mizzou faithful would demand the SEC if it offers?

lol. No.

All of this makes me sick. I hate, hate, hate how much of a loser Kansas City is in all of this.

Deloss is a KSU alum. Rumblings.

Wow, did not know that.

Any school that follows Texas anywhere will forever be an enemy of mine. Mother**** that school.

Pretty good summary of the day's events in this KC Star article. Mentions the OU/OSU/UT/TT idea, and says KU and KSU seem committed to the Big 12. Won't post all of it... but it did throw out an idea no one has said yet:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/03...uri-stung.html

:facepalm:

I just want to say this for the record.

**** TEXAS

I just want to say this for the record.

**** TEXAS

Actually it looks like Oklahoma is the one who wants out.

See what I don't understand is why KU even gives a shit what happen here. Of the $70+million that the KU athletics gets 80-90% is basketball driven. They could go independent for BBall ala ND, and then join whatever conference they want for FB. Hell even if it were D3 it probably wouldn't matter much since they would likely make even more money as a BBall independent than as part of a conference since they would not have to share. It would likely be a wash. So it's not a 'KU is ****ed' it's more a who cares where they end up, it almost doesn't matter. The BBall program will have the national TV that it always gets. Only if they were ever to care about the FB program would it matter what conference they are in. But it's not clear how much they care.

KC took an L when the Big 12 was formed bud.

I don't think Texas would be successful going independent now when it looks like all these super conferences are about to take shape. If there are 16 team conferences everywhere stacked with talented teams, then I would imagine most schools are going to be reluctant to schedule Texas and add an extra tough game on top of what they already play in schedule. Not that they'd get NO good games, but I don't think they'd get enough of them.

LMAOLMAO

Nobody should want to be a part of the Big East right now.

They will almost certainly be raided by the Big 10 and the ACC.

I sure hope KU lands somewhere...

Actually, its not quite that simple. Once conference season rolls around, finding teams to play would be extremely tough. KU needs to be a part of a large conference or soon the big time coaches and players will stop coming here.

Other way around. ND is independent for football, not basketball.

Yep, Deloss is EMAW to the core.

So how do you think that will impact what happens?

You don't see K-Staters panicking in here do you?

I think your trust is misplaced if you think he will take into account anything other than Texas. It's everyone for themselves pretty much.

Clearly. But it still retained its unique college sports atmosphere. Now it's being threatened with a death sentence.

Let me get this straight. Your "best guess" is that a conference wants to add a school 2 time zones away located in a state with fewer than 3 million residents and one of the worst football programs of any BCS conference team, but they don't want Texas? Sounds right to me.

So is Beebe.

Kansas City will be getting screwed in this deal & it's a shame because it's such a great college sports town.

The PAC-12 won't allow the Texas TV network and it's too valuable for Texas to give it up.

Best post in this thread in the last week or so.

The PAC won't turn down anything Scott suggests is the most prudent course for them. This conference, when adding their regional network money to the TV deal stands to be making between 30 and 40 million dollars a year per school in 4-5 years. I thought it was cute, though, how OU and OSU were exploring all options including keeping the Big XII together and Texas was proclaiming they want to save the conference. They're just looking at those numbers and jackin' each other off right now.

So, why didn't Texas jump to the PAC last year? They make more money not being part of that conference.

Supposing that's true, what does Kansas bring to the table? The entire population of the state of Kansas is almost identical to the Saint Louis metro area. I don't see the PAC deciding to grab a school two time zones east when the school has no football team, and the state has no television sets.

No, actually, they don't. The reason they didn't do it last year was because they didn't have the regional network idea in place or finalized. If Texas gets 20 million from the Big XII deal and 7 million a year from the LHN that's not close to the 30-40 million they could potentially be getting.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ich_quick.html

A national name brand in basketball. The Financial Times sports writer said last year that the value of top tier basketball programs trump a typical BCS college football program. He was amazed that this fact was being ignored in reporting.

Kansas' only problem was that they weren't located in Texas. We're not competing against Texas and OU. We're competing against OSU and Tech. What do those two schools bring that OU and Texas doesn't already deliver for someone? Kansas could give them a better national name, a superior basketball presence, and the Wichita-Topeka-half of KC market. Its not even really close, especially when it comes to Tech. But Tech is in Texas.

This is why I kept saying MU and KU should have been lobbying for inclusion. These deals are bigger than anything else in college sports. People making stupid comments like "Oh, the travel costs!" Really? At the 30-40 million a year, you couldn't make the travel work? People are brain dead around here at times.

Texas doesn't want to be part of regional networks. They just got a multi-million dollar deal from ESPN that is exclusively their network. The PAC will not allow anything but a regional network AKA NO single school shall have their own network.

LHN is on life support. It's as likely to have the plug pulled as not.