80% of what Kansas gets in the first two fiscal years of sports betting likely is not enough to pay Joe Thuney's 2024 salary.

Can we please give the rich guys more money? I don't want to become Eureka Arkansas.

At this point that's the best we can hope for since the shitty KCMO went full on stupid.

There is currently 1,000 residential units under construction now in Downtown, with sites already purchased for additional hotel and conventional space...so, yes, "people from all over the country" are visiting.

If I'm being completely honest, I care about the Chiefs far more than I care about KC. I'm just surprised that you'd open up the remote possibility of them going elsewhere at all.

Hopefully they'll end up in a nice new stadium that's closer to the airport and other amenities rather than moving to another city at least.

The rich guys can have money if they actually work to get it. Much like everything else in their lives they were used to somebody handing them things without protest

Yes, and throw in the highway re-vamping needed for downtown relocation, and you need every bit of 5 years to complete.

IF Clark Hunt actually wants to remain in Arrowhead then this is one of the biggest bag fumbles I've ever seen. Should've been a layup to secure funding, even with the anchor of Sherman weighing him down with any sort of remotely thought out proposition, and instead he gets exposed as a cheap ass piece of shit that even the players are sick of and has the organization spend all of its energy threatening to leave if it doesn't pass. He's somehow already burned through the goodwill that Reid and Mahomes brought him.

He has to have been throwing on purpose. Only question is what's the motive? Disassociate himself from the Royals debacle and put forth an actual proposal once they've ****ed off? Move to Wyandotte?

Now now, don't get so upset... LMAO

They are lying. They aren't the Missouri Chiefs.


Kansas Kansas City Chiefs, thank you very much.

Even if they do build a new stadium, Arrowhead will be getting most of if not all of the golden years of Chiefs football. Probably be exactly like the Chase Center for the Warriors. Shiny new building built JUST a bit too late to capitalize on most of the dynasty.

If Jackson county won't others will... Don't be a hater.

Like St. Louis county is to Jefferson City, JOCO/WYCO is to Topeka - IOW the state will pull out all the stops to fund anything to keep their one geographic area thriving.

And just like the Dallas Cowboys, the Chiefs are moving

St. Joe voted yes for schools and libraries. Get yo sh1t together KC!

I'm not because I'm confident they aren't going anywhere that's never what this vote was about. Finally they & the Royals will be split apart and anything Chiefs on a separate ballot will pass easily.

Overreaction Planet in full afterburner right now...

That's the part all of the "don't give sports teams tax money" arguments seem to ignore. SOMEONE out there is going to give them the money, it's just a matter of who.

we're going to find the next Mahomes when he's get one or two good years left in him :cuss:

The proposed improvement to arrowhead was bullshit. It was to cater to the top 5% of fans. Also the Royals said they had to move because the concrete was bad. But the same concrete that built arrowhead isn't?

They need to stop lying and give us real improvements people care about.

I'm disappointed the vote failed but I understand some of the reasons it was rejected by certain factions of residents. And I don't mean the worthless KC Tenant types.

The general public is reactionary, easily swayed and not always well informed. This proposal, even though its not technically a new tax is coming on the back of the property tax fiasco that many are seriously feeling in their monthly budgets. The idea of more tax dollars is a turnoff. When pitched as giving billionaires free money, its repulsive to some.

And then we get to the piss poor rollout and total lack of transparency and cooperation with the general public. Hell, they were changing "the plan" as late as last week with the Oak Street debacle.

The Chiefs BARELY participated from the start and then put out about as underwhelming of a proposal as I think was even possible.

The Royals repeatedly delayed and missed the mark on location selection. They promised mulitple times an answer would come by X date, only to push it off even further. And then when the public is wrapping their heads around what they've been told for months was the two possible options, they scrap both and think people won't blink when they choose a whole new location and expect everyone to just forgot everything they were already told.

ALL OF THIS TO SAY: can you lay off the freaking hysterics and whining? You've spent the last 14 hours throwing a total hissy fit. The reality is that the future is unknown, but it's still a lot more likely that both teams stay than leave. But they got put in their place a little bit last night and its probably for the better. Stop being a 10 year old girl and accept that your desired outcome did a piss poor marketing job instead of blaming an entire city/county for being losers and idiots.

Let's hope so. The Chiefs need to be rid of that albatross.

Didn't Mark Donovan essentially call the sports complex a shit hole undeserving of development? This all felt like a feigned offer to stay when they wanted free agency all along.

When the Chiefs and Royals pack up and move in the middle of the night because of this will they be able to keep the "Chiefs" and "Royals" names? LMAO :popcorn:

Come on bro, they were going to chip in $300 million. No, don't bring up the fact that the Hunt family is worth $24B! You want to take away their gold plated shark tank bar!?!

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Guys, Kansas does not exactly have a pile of money laying around with which they could just throw a few billion at the Chiefs without anyone complaining. I think people are seriously underestimating how difficult and complicated it would be to move a team. It takes a great deal more than the owner simply making the decision.

How large will the Pat statue (Patue?) be in front of the new stadium at the Legends? Make that ****er 20 feet tall and let him play his last years there.

It's odd that those who belittle the products and services that billionaires provide, spend 10 hours a day on a message board passionately "debating" those very products. Yes kids, there is a price for the toys that make you happy, and there is no Santa Claus.

Mark has been a little uppity throughout this process. He called out the Royals concrete cancer and was rebuffed rather easily. I think they stay at Arrowhead it might cost more than what was on this vote because the next one likely won't just have some generic AI rendering of bar stools behind the end zone and a 1 mile VIP concrete walk way.

$96M in total revenue in its first full year. So almost $80M going directly towards bringing a team to KS. That number will likely only go up, and will add up quickly over the next 6 years.

Maybe they settle for just the Royals, but KS is going to have a lot of pull

Yeah. I don't know if they figured they had carte blanche to behave like that given the teams recent success, but it's backfired pretty badly.

So was this mainly shot down due to the stadium location for the Royals being the Crossroads district?

Ugh, actually we do. Should have about $1.7 billion in the rainy day fund come 6/30, end of fiscal year. Try to pay attention.

That's what I don't get. Only 3 stadiums are privately funded in the NFL. Some of the same people bitching about the Chiefs getting public funding are some of the same people who have used tax abatement when purchasing a home. Also, the Crossroads is developed with a .5 cent sales tax itself and those businesses use public funds and tax breaks.

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Nashville has already grown beyond what it was reasonably designed for. The traffic in that area is a catastrophe. If you put a stadium in 'Nashville' you'd have to put it 30 minutes out of town.

In which case, why bother?

They're not moving to Nashville. As you've noted, the actual residents of Nasvhille already think its grown beyond capacity - they're not looking for more. They won't vote to approve it.

What's this about?

You really think this had anything to do with that? I seriously doubt it.

...but why do you think he's suddenly going to go out of the way to stay in the spot he clearly doesn't think is worth it?

I'd personally put Arrowhead's odds of survival at about 10% at this point. If people aren't impressed by what they can do with it, the logical answer is to build something new. And if you're going that far, they'll want a location that can be activated and bring in extra revenue.

ROFL

Chiefs lost nothing yesterday, but they did gain future leverage. It wasn't passing the smell test when the proposals came out, and that should have been an obvious clue. The knew this was failing and used it to their future advantage.

Nah.

Something doesn't lose by 16 points on a single issue. There was no 'mainly' shot down here.

This was shot down across the board. It was a bloody massacre because it failed to reach Jackson County voters on basically any level at all. They simply rejected it wholesale.

It was 'mainly shot down' because it was an ill-conceived cash grab and a lazy effort by the people seeking it to leverage goodwill from the SB run(s) to get a blank check.

FYP

Mark Donovan is a smug asshole. Anyone that has ever met him would tell you the same.

3/4s of the owners would agree to the move just to upset the dynasty.

It was shot down from an "eat the rich" mentality.

If the teams need a nine figure public outlay to stay in the metro, it's not ****ing happening.

Pablo (I think) said this turned into a GDT and it couldn't be more right.

Yup

Really sat on our balls with this.

Sherman and the MLB must be pretty butthurt with Clark right about now. Expected to piggyback off the Chiefs to get a blank canvas for a stadium and instead they got driven off a ****ing cliff.

I don't agree. But they need to actually provide something for their 9 figures.

I reiterate - I think they could get a 50/50 split on a whole new stadium if they pursued it and actually sold it well to the public. But "Hey, give us 2/3 of our build costs on luxury suites your poor asses will never be allowed near" isn't going to get it done.

$700 million and $700 million will get you enough to build a hell of a stadium. It won't be the $2 billion behemoth the Raiders got in LV, but it'll be a top 5ish stadium in the NFL in terms of amenities. But it's gonna cost Clark more and it's gonna be harder to design/build. Clark relied on inertia in pursuing the path of least resistance.

It was a piss poor effort that killed this and not some dogmatic opposition to public/private stadium partnerships.

Some people just exist to bitch. They hated the new airport, but love that the World Cup is coming and that the NFL draft was held here. They hate the airport because it is "in the middle of nowhere", but want the Chiefs and Royals to move to the far west exurb. What kind of city do you want to live in? So many are miserable and the only thing that will make them happy is dropping a bag of cash on their doorstep.

Arrowhead is the Hunt families crown jewel they could have left that area many times over in the past

That's why I keep saying that Clark threw the match. This was akin to the Weimar Republican bringing in the Ottoman Empire in WWI. The Royals 'ally' did them more harm than good.

Either team could likely get something done. But this attempt was pretty much the worst of all possible worlds once Clark saw it as an opportunity to get something for nothing.

610 cited a political contact in KC said polling was done in 2022/2023 that suggested a downtown stadium would lose by a 51 to 49 mark.

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LMAO Nah, Arrowhead is donezo now. It's been made obvious at this point with Hunt letting the standards of the facilities slide into the worst in the NFL and this proposal that was purposely designed to fail.

And now he can avoid the backlash, and justify it by the vote failing

"Rainy Day" surpluses of a state aren't earmarked for stadium construction. Kansas would have to go through the same protracted battle and long term tax sales that Jackson is going through. Which county gets the future tax benefits? Does the rest of the state get a split since the funds are also theirs? Does the state decrease taxes in future years, since they obviously "collected too much" in the first place? Kansas won't be writing a check without some big battles.

Yeah man.

Those dogs totally wanted new furniture.

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Yes he did, he said the area around the stadium wasn't worthy of development.

Nah, if you dropped a bag of cash on their doorsteps, many would complain it was too heavy...

He's not wrong.

The real 'bad guys' in all this are the folks that ran the county and business leaders in/around Independence. I mean it's not like the Legends sprang up from some hotbed of economic activity. Folks grabbed the wheel and made it happen.

Jackson County just never proactively worked towards developing that area. When the city was growing, it grew north and west. But it didn't HAVE to be that way. And the Truman complex was a natural focal point to create some gravitational pull and bring that growth that direction.

City/county leaders simply failed. For decades. And now there's likely to be a reckoning.

I just wonder who's sat on the land around Raytown Road thinking they'd get a speculative payday.

...and he is correct, which begs the question: "which area IS worthy of development?". Finding the right combination of inexpensive land that allows a similar tailgating experience, and close proximity to real entertainment districts is a very difficult challenge. Does it even exist?

He's always smart enough to stand behind Mahomes and Andy Reid for locker room footage.

Wyandotte and the legends tick a large number of boxes.

The complex and much of the surrounds are in Kansas City, so additional residential development was always dicey due to KC School Dist. Almost all the surrounding area not comprised of blue-collar housing is zoned indsutrial (and for a reason), and the Leeds plant dominated the area at the time, plus it was mostly freeway and rail lines. The area was never a strong candidate for development, but they chose the site because it was large, cheap, and had great highway access...those were the important factors at the time.

But that's in *gasp* KANSAS!

Not for baseball.

I didn't quite understand why the Chiefs didn't pitch a brand new stadium where the K is at once they left.

No one gives a shit about the Royals. They can **** off to Nashville or SLC or wherever the ****.

Which brings me back to "They threw the match"

They want a new stadium. And they don't want it in Jackson County.

If they did, that would've been exactly what they proposed. And they couldn't have really expected to get anywhere with what they put out there.

I understand that. I'm just saying that the state of Kansas is in excellent shape if they want to throw out long term incentives.

I'm going to be salty as **** if the Royals pivot to Clay and we end up giving them their stadium

I imagine it's because Clark thought fans valued the history and atmosphere of Arrowhead, and as Donovan said the area isn't worth developing. If they're going to build new they're going to do it wherever they can make as much money as possible.

5 years from now-
Chiefs at Arrowhead Royals at the K
10 years from now-
Chiefs in Kansas up by the Speedway
Royals in Nashville

10 years from now -

Chiefs 4 more SB's
Royals 1000 more losses

Yup

Wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs and Wyandotte already have the basic framework of a proposal in place.

Nah they will let them compete in Nashville, they probably won't win a Championship but they will be like Minnesota and Cleveland.