Revisionist history. We had JAGs at WR last year too, almost the same exact group, people you just want to pretend we didn't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't attack the WR position in the offseason, which we most certainly will, but you mother****ers have been banging this "we can't win the SB with this group" drumb since week 1, and yet here we are at 7-2 with a great shot to do it again.

You ****ing pussies don't deserve a "conservation". You're not here for a conversation either, hence why you like the lurk and downvote half the time. You're here to do what you do best; bitch.

As the season has progressed I'm definitely leaning more towards keeping Sneed and the extra $ than paying Jones.

Might want to brace yourself for us keeping neither of them.

For those looking for FAU info click on page 46 and scroll past three pages of nobody here knows what's going to happen after the season is over. You're welcome :)

I think at the very least this year we've identified we should address TE sooner rather than later. I think this team is very dangerous with 12 and 13 packages. I like gray but I like him as a TE3 for now. Ultimately over time we can pull Kelce off the field to manage his workload and this gives flexibility to do that.

Felix got held like a mother****er on the Jacobs TD run. Egregious no call. That TD doesn't happen if Felix isn't held.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jacobs TD. Felix Anudike-Uzomah &amp; Dickerson get held on the play and can’t get through the blockers grips in time. No second level defenders, so Jacobs has a full head of steam and that secondary has no chance. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/1u2To4zjLu">pic.twitter.com/1u2To4zjLu</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1729581672859898163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Saw it live. Obvious hold that would've prevented a TD if it didn't occur.

Also, remember that the Raiders weren't called for a single penalty all game.

It's been a trend ALL year. Yet both our tackles and Sneed get called for sneezing

Eh....he's in structure of FAU there. It's definitely been called but I've seen it go the other way and there were more egregious ones we've got ****ed on.

Definitely was a hold, but usually not called if it doesn't effect the play. This one effected the play. They called holding on Taylor, and Travis on borderline holds that wouldn't have effected the play. They also called one on Creed that was non-existent to keep it a 2 score game. They just need to be consistent.

Exactly. Zero issue with the non-call there if they don't call it on us, even if that one was worse.

So, 11 games in and the guy has done absolutely NOTHING. Looks like a bust on Veachs record. We'll have to try again next draft.

I don't know. The players in front of him have played well, so he hasn't had the opportunity to get a lot of snaps, so that's slowed his development. I'm not ready to write him off 11 games into his career.

I usually like you but that’s just a dumbass statement. He’s a young developmental guy in a stacked dline room. Mahomes had far less production 11 games in. Must have been a bust too.

Hog’s gone fishin and hooked him a couple.

he doesn't really play that much, I haven't noticed him at all the entire season. Always just assumed Danna is the starter and then next year FAE gets the start. If he's had a significant amount of snaps, then it's not a good sign.

Would definitely like to see his snaps ramped up, tough balancing act but I think Danna is gone next year so we could do with seeing what we've got with FAU. If the offense turns a corner it's going to make it a lot easier to get him out there early.

Red shirt year. The Chiefs tried to move up and FAU was a consolation, BPA. Had we landed Flowers and Rice this offense would be cooking.

The rumor was that they were going for Addison

I think it was Matt Derick on 41 is the mic that said he thinks if Felix was gone as well he thinks they would have just taken Rice at 32.

Yikes.

It's just a smart pick.

Even if he doesn't contribute this year, the value of having a cheap edge rusher is just too good.

I'd always be looking for a T/WR/DE in the first round. If there's no guy I really like at another spot, I'd take the best one of those on the board if all else fails. You can never have enough and if they develop, it's such a cost saving thing.

WTF is "yikes" about that?

:facepalm:

Ideally, yeah, you've love to see him making contributions.

He's still young and is buried behind some good players. The benefit will pay off in the next couple years when they don't have to go pay DE's.

He just needs some live reps and continued strength training, imo. He was small when the Cats recruited him. Took a couple of years of strength training/training table to get him up to 250#.

He’s got all the physical tools. I’ll bet we see a little more of him in the final 1/3 of the season.

I don't think they take 2 WR with their first 2 picks. If they had traded up for flowers, they probably look at O-line or still Edge in the 2nd.

Cant emphasize this enough.

I might throw CB in that list as a consideration for a 4th position.

You don’t think there were better picks on the board when FAU was picked?

Like who? Rashee Rice?

I mean, I'm sure you could find somebody that you could say that about. I've heard people say LaPorta, but that's just completely unrealistic. Nobody had him going in the 1st round, and it's just very unlikely that they would've taken a TE there with other needs.

Also, it's wayyyy too ****ing early for any of this.

I thought FAU was a great pick at the time, and still do. Hes buried on the depth chart because we have depth and talent at the position.

I swear some of you have no patient whatsoever with player development.

The issue I always have with redishirt stuff, is that you burn a cheap contract year, but in this case, it works fine.

LaPorta woulda been somewhat defensible...but meh, give me a pass rusher.

Pass rushers are such a premium, you stock pile them when you can.

You aren't going to get an immediate impact from every single rookie. Last year spoiled us. We got it with Rice, so I have zero issue investing long term in a valuable position like edge rusher. Most edge rushers need a RS year, especially outside of the top 15. At least we still have the 5th year option too.

THIS!

Dana is playing well. But, he's gone after this season.

FAU is getting his reps in for next year when he will be starting. We will still have 4 years of rookie contract left to help with the cap.

Aside from Rashee Rice, this last draft was based on 2024.

Mike Danna is almost certainly gone. He will get a well deserved bump in pay that we can't match. Chris Jones is also a sticky situation. They're redshirting him like they did Dee Ford and that's certainly not a bad thing.

Rashee is Juju's replacement, Wanya is a guy I think they want to be a starting tackle next year and Conner represent a chess piece that does some of the blitzing/short coverage Sneed does while being a strong tackling SS presence that Justin Reid currently occupies.

I think they could look at extending Reid and getting his $ down.

For the most part, I agree. I really would like to keep Snead but I think you get more bang for your buck from Jones, but could be convinced either way.

Wanya developing into a quality starter would be huge for the cap considering what they're paying Taylor and looming contracts with Creed and Trey. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'm not sure I'd pay Trey what he's going to want paid. I myself cannot honestly say he's developed much since his rookie season.

Keep in mind there were special Chiefs fans in 2017 who were jealous of the Texans and their loser QB who put up all kinds of meaningless garbage time yards/points while our QB was sitting on the bench

Nah, a 1st round pick should be on the field and producing. Comparing him with Mahomes being red shirted behind Alex Smith is Apples/Oranges.

Playing DE isn't a complicated job. Karlaftis made plays year 1. This guy has been invisible. He's actually had some snaps and nobody has ever called out his name.

Karlaftis played on a DL with no Danna (injured) or Omenihu, or a guy like Karlaftis.

The DE room is completely different, which is the irony of you talking about apples/oranges. Karlaftis was playing with 2 old guys that needed to be on a snap count. Totally different circumstances this year.

Also, there's not a position other than QB that is as difficult of a transition from college to the pros as DE.

https://www.footballguys.com/stats/s...m=KC&year=2023

Looks like he's played 136 snaps , has 1 sack

NOT GOOD!

Also, it looks like they were giving him a lot of snaps early in the season and then started limiting him the last 5 weeks. WHY ?

Because they got Omenihu back from suspension.

You know? The top free agent addition on defense.

It's like there's some kind of Chiefsplanet merit badge you earn for being the first one to declare that some young player sucks.

Congratulations! You're a miserable wet shit with the patience of a gnat and zero understanding of context. Hope that works out for ya.

If he ends up being a bust, is drafting at the very end of the 1st round because you just won the Superbowl a good trade off for that pick being cursed for the Chiefs? I think so

ah, yeah, good point.

We're you born being a jerk or did your parents teach you that skill ?

Nah, but they taught me to call out bullshit when I see it.

Buddy, if I'M a jerk, here on Chiefsplanet, you have some soul searching to do.

You must be joking.

I'll never understand it. It, apparently, makes some people feel better about themselves to declare a player a bust as soon as possible. It's also imperative that you MAINTAIN that position, regardless of what happens down the road.

From the Mizzou Football thread:

Yea, that in particular was just an awful take.

I was worried Hog was going like the old bullpen reliever who lost a few mph on his fastball and couldn't locate his off speed stuff anymore. You just hadn't seen takes like his classic posts about Johnny Football in a while.

"DE's not a complicated job" proves the man took a trip to Belize and found his fastball again. You love to see it.

Omenihu has been playing so well that sadly its preventing this cat from gaining real live time game reps. That's the only way he's gonna learn. If it hinders his development then so be it...It is what it is, sadly he's buried on the depth chart behind a talented DL across the board and they're all playing well and are healthy. It's a good problem to have I guess.

To declare every single pick to be a great pick and future hall of famer is equally as dumb as declaring every pick to be a bust. IMHO.

There are going to be bad picks. No team has ever or will ever hit on 100% of their draft picks.

This is by far, without a doubt, the best era of Chiefs drafting in our lifetimes. But there will still be misses.

The drafting over the past several seasons has been so fantastic, despite a couple of earlier round misses, like Skyy and CEH, that I almost feel like we are overdue for a bad draft year lol.

It can't continue to be this good all of the time can it? It doesn't seem realistic to me. We don't all truly appreciate how good it's been for us tbh. It's okay if there is a bust here and there with the way the rest of the drafts have been going.

When you're picking #31 or #32 every year, you can't expect immediate studs. Especially when it's a loaded DLine.

George was in a different situation.

No reason to make any sweeping declarations.

I wasn’t thrilled with the pick. Mainly because of how perfectly the draft had fallen up to pick 20. But I was pleasantly surprised with him in the preseason. I right he was much further along as a pass rusher than George was at that point.

If we were a terrible defense and he wasn’t getting playing time it might be time to panic. But we’re 4th in sacks and 3rd in pass yards given up. He’s 21. Relax

And if we wanted more out of a first year guy… Murphy hasn’t done shit. Mazi is invisible. And Anton is a liability at this point

I would have loved to have had Mazi sitting behind Jones, but DT's man....you just never know.

Last years rookie class ruined life for future Chiefs rookies forever

Remember during training camp when I said if u read between the lines coaches thought he was behind

You really didn't have to read between any lines for that. This is a direct quote from an article in August. "Defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo repeatedly mentioned how Anudike-Uzomah was behind on where they needed him to be and would need to catch up." Maybe next time predict something that hasn't been outright stated.

Over whom?

Where are the snaps coming from?

You taking snaps from Omenihu, Karlaftis, or Danna? You taking away the snaps Chris Jones takes at DE?

He's in a much different spot than Karlaftis (who was guy 3 in the rotation ina group with two older guys who needed to be spelled in front of him).

You can't just blanket say "First round picks have to produce Year 1." Context matters.

I don't think anyone is declaring every single pick to be great or "future hall of famer," are they?

My question is, how much does he gain this year from little playing time? It seems like the consensus is that rookie DEs struggle early on most of the time until they get more experience, then they ideally come on strong after some growing pains. We saw that with Karlaftis. FAU is clearly going to be a different case due to the depth and lack of playing time, but would it be reasonable to expect him to hit the ground running in 2024 without seeing the field much this year?

I'm fine with him not doing much here this year given the circumstances, but IMO he has to be 100% ready to go in a significantly larger role from the get go next year.

He's still being coached by the best DL coach in the game.

He definitely needs to be operating at 100 percent capacity next year. There's no "learn on the job" after a redshirt year.

Is he related to Tanoh Kpassagnon?

Good one, moron.

LOL. Look at this keyboard warrior.

LOL. Look at this absolutely useless poster that has never brought a single thing of value/subtance into a football discussion

Now you're being ridiculous. I'm starting to see why so many posters here don't like you.

You think I give a flying ****?

I have the respect of the posters that actually know ball, and that's all that matters to me. The rest of you just get your feelings hurt when I call out your stupidity.

He needs to get stronger. He's got potential but was on the ground a lot in college. That's completely fixable with an off-season in an NFL program

As someone who knows ball, I'm on the fence.

Let's not go overboard.

Heh.

I was being facetious.

I'm not on the fence.

O. knows....trades??