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He's seen too much football to still be making the throws he's making. He has some positively Winston-Esque looking interceptions. Balls where he just stares into the eyes of the defender and throws it right into the guy's chest. Worse still, he barely even looks downfield anymore. He's not a risk to make a big play but he's still a threat to throw a mind-blowing interception at any time. He's a damn mess. |
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The browns defense and running game are so good that they didn’t need as much from any qb. The irony is now they’re saddled with a qb who now can’t execute even a basic offense yet still sucks up lots of cap |
Stefanski’s offense is just another derivative of the WC offense, and so requires a lot of short, quick passes, on time and in rhythm. Requires a QB to get through his progressions and throw into tight windows with great ball placement.
Guess what Watson isn’t good at? Watson is closer to being Russell Wilson than Drew Brees. Never understood why Stefanski was so high on Watson. He had to have looked at the tape. |
What happened to this guy?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pack it up <a href="https://t.co/8wbJ1WgPKb">pic.twitter.com/8wbJ1WgPKb</a></p>— James Foster (@NoFlagsFilm) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/status/1833116852928536780?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
The only saving grace is that chubb comes back and they ask deshaun to manage games. Which he can't do. Because he's a daunte Culpeper chuck it up guy who is a dead arm and doesn't have a jump ball savior like dhop. And he's a running QB who has a fraction of his previous athleticism. Throw in a jamarcus Russel attitude of mailing it in.
The alternative would be jameis Winston. Maybe the worst idea. If the browns run game regresses, deshaun is making tons of dumbass mistakes too. At least jameis has the upside to make plays too. The defense may be good enough to support that. Unlikely because there's no way the browns can save face with deshaun given his contract. They're ****ed for a few years |
The big thing I noticed with Watson is what I noticed last year. He is throwing a lot of dead balls. Not just inaccurate, he's throwing shit into the dirt that he used to be strong enough to throw. Not good. The best they could have hoped for was an Andrew luck like arm strength recovery but i don't think that happened.
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Considering that Cleveland literally mortgaged their franchise and future to get Watson and it’s almost impossible for them to get rid of him until 2026 at the earliest… might as well throw everything against the wall to make it work. |
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Remind me why they wanted to be rid of Baker Mayfield so bad to give up so much to get Watson? |
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Now that no female massage therapist will see him without security present & security cameras, he has been having to do all his own stroking, and it's really affecting the stiffness in his shoulder, and it's affecting his throwing motion. The Browns need to fly him to a brothel in Vegas a couple of times a week, because as it stands now, Watson is worthless while costing the Browns a couple hundred million dollars. |
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I mean he had two deep balls in there that looked like they just sailed out the top of his hand. A couple others where his arm just came through sideways for no reason. Best guys I have is that his shoulder isn't sound anymore. My labrum's ****ed up in my shoulder so on any given throw when I'm playing softball, I don't really know how it's going to behave in the socket. about 80% of the time it does what I expect but sometimes it'll just get 'loose' and my arm won't do what I expected it to do. If I were an NFL quarterback and was only 80% certain my arm would behave like I expected, I'd be a mess. Every throw would be something I'm 'feeling' for as I'm releasing. If his shoulder injury damaged the joint in his shoulder to the point that he can't trust his delivery to repeat itself, he's ****ed. He's not even a backup at that point. He HAS to be able to trust his arm to do what he expects it to do. When it doesn't...well, that's how you see misses like that. It's about the only thing that makes sense to me. |
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The Browns and their fans did Baker so dirty for having the audacity to try to play through injury. Apart from that one year, his development arc looked like a normal young QB. And the Browns just shit all over him then dumped him while gutting their cap and picks for the privilege of doing so. They deserve this. |
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Browns are so screwed
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the "just cut Deshaun now" crowd:<br>2024 Dead Cap: $119,942,678 ($93.2M cash)<br>2025 Dead Cap: $80,770,000<br><br>For the "cut Deshaun after 2024" crowd:<br>2025 Dead Cap: $118,935,000 ($92M cash)<br>2026 Dead Cap: $53,835,000<br><br>For the "cut Deshaun after 2025" crowd:<br>2026 Dead Cap:…</p>— Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1833182746669142042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Teams loaded up on stopping the run and dared him to beat them and he couldn't. I don't know that moving on from him was a terrible decision based on that. I mean sure, you can tell yourself moar weapons and moar development, I guess. Obviously going all in on Watson was a huge mistake. |
Watson looks like a beaten man.
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He's averaged over 8 AY/A in the post-season. He's put up a 10-3 TD/INT rate and averaged right at 290 yards/gm passing. No, he's not a superstar. But he's been a credible QB even in the post-season. And at about $33 million/season, he's not being paid an absurd sum by NFL QB standards. I'd take him at that contract over Dak, that's for damn sure. I mean look at the guys in front of him, many of them by a LOT. Lawrence, Love, Tua, Goff and Hurts are all making over $50 million/season. Murray, Watson and Cousins are all over $40 million. Jones and Carr are making more than Mayfield. Mayfield is 2nd from the bottom among non-rookie deal starting QBs in the entire NFL. Only Geno and Minshew make less. And I guess Darnold who's now the starter by default. Mayfield is a pretty substantial asset at this point, IMO. There are few guys the Bucs could've gotten instead of him that could've/would've worked out better. |
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Nope. Thx for playing though!:thumb: Among currently active QBs, Baker's been one of the better QBs during the playoffs. In fact, Baker really hasn't had a 'bad' playoff game in four starts. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MayfBa00.htm |
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And if they just take the consensus player at 13, they end up with Kyle Hamilton in 2022. Let's say having Mayfield instead of Watson in 2023 puts them in the same position Tampa ended up -- they could take Zay Flowers at 19 with the pick they gave up and then in 2024 lets say they draft at 25 -- they could have taken Nate Wiggins to help cover for Ward's concussion issues. Hamilton, Flowers and Wiggins plus likely around $50 million in cap savings or at LEAST no need to engage in the sort of cap ****ery that's going to sabotage them over the next 2-3 seasons. I mean yeah - the entire exchange was catastrophic. |
Watson didn't play for 2 years, it really destroyed anything he had going for him.
I also think it's missed how much of his game was throwing jump balls to an elite jump ball WR who was paired with an elite speed WR. Cleveland has a really good roster but they don't have "that" |
New lawsuit just dropped.
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Cleveland is taking it well....
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first call on Cleveland sports talk radio this morning <a href="https://t.co/Ef9dln5MjX">pic.twitter.com/Ef9dln5MjX</a></p>— Ben Axelrod (@BenAxelrod) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1833102587182104859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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That just warms the cockles. Damn, that's funny. And I feel bad for the Browns fans, because they didn't ask for any of this, they didn't make the trade for Watson, but my hatred for the CLE ownership/organization just looms large over that little bit of compassion. Suck it, Haslam, and whoever else was in on the decision to try and ruin Baker. Reap it 10000x over. |
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Unlike Denver they went all in and then tripled down on it. Which I kinda get because once Chubb and Garrett are gone the whole thing implodes. But man they're going to be in hell for a very long time. Rebuilding is one thing, rebuilding with massive cap debt you can't get rid of is something entirely different |
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Well, and I get that a lot of Browns fans were done with Baker and a lot of them thought Watson was elite, but not all of them, and I think it wasn't as overwhelming as it seemed from the outside. I know a few CLE fans, and none of them wanted Baker gone. They wanted him to sit and get surgery. They wanted him to stop saying dumb things to the press. But they also wanted him back, just healthy. All just semantics now, of course, just saying I'm only really annoyed with CLE ownership/management. Ymmv |
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The current Baker at his current salary is a bargain.
And maybe Baker was more injured than I remembered. But he had a great D. He had Chubb and Karem. I guess I don’t really remember thinking his WR were particularly good or bad but if that wasn’t good enough for a game manager. Where do you go from there? |
Baker's a notch above game manager talent-wise.
He played through a significant shoulder injury that last year in Cleveland, and they hung him for it. He's no Mahomes, but nobody is. He's playing well in Tampa-I think he just needed a stable organization and a coaching staff that believed in him. I thought for sure that his path was going to be the Jim Plunkett path, and that he'd end up in Vegas and win one in a KC off-year. Tampa probably keeps him, though. And they should. |
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He did have both Chubb and Kareem, that’s true. Though a check of the game logs reveals that for whatever reason. Gus was the primary RB not Chubb, for a large part of the season. Maybe Chubb was dinged up, I don’t really remember. But in his 4 years in CLE, baker never had a defense better than 20th. That surprised me, but every ranking system on the net agrees. Cleveland’s defense didn’t become great until after Baker was traded. |
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So maybe I’m being overly harsh on Baker. I certainly have nothing against him. But I remember thinking at the time that Cleveland wasn’t going to get it done with him. Maybe they would have. They rolled the dice to try and get a QB that could carry a team not just manage a team. It failed spectacularly. But I don’t blame them for trying. |
Watson has a cap hit of 70 some million next year with 100 million dead cap if he is cut....
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No salary cap on Fox although they might have to fire a bunch of people
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Man, that's why if you're a QB and you're injured anywhere in your arm/shoulder, just sit the **** down. Don't tough it out. When Baker pulled that shit it nearly ruined his career and absolutely set fire to Cleveland.
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They let his bitching absolutely ruin their relationship with Mayfield and Mayfield's relationship with the fans. It was organizational malpractice. |
Baker is playing pretty well in Tampa.
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Clay, feel free to meme that |
$255.4 salary cap
Dead Cap: $119,942,678 ($93.2M cash) HOLY SHIT. I just had to see it next to each other. |
Florio said in his contract there a clause that any undisclosed allegations goi9ng forward can void the deal. If he didn't specifically name this latest one prior they may be able to get out of this this deal get rid of him.
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Evans is his security blanket. If all else fails, chuck it to Mike. Which is what makes what Mahomes has done so spectacular. That guy's won the last 2 SBs with Kelce and a bunch of dudes that are on the fringes of the NFL (plus his rookie WR). Brady's the only guy who's ever been able to accomplish what Mahomes has been able to accomplish with largely cast-off weapons. |
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It's possible. But it's not like Baker hasn't been able to win without elite weapons. He went 11-5 in 2020 with Donovan Peoples-Jones as his primary WR. And he was more limited then than he is now. And he'll still have Godwin for awhile. And Godwin will be the centerpiece of that offense for the foreseeable future. They'll have to keep drafting WRs and TEs, basically more receiving weapons, but as long as the OL is decent, and Liam Coen remains OC, Baker will continue to be successful. |
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If you can get out of that contract, you do it. Week 1, week 10, week 16. Doesn't matter. Get out when you can as soon as you can.
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By the time the kid and I go watch it live on Dec 15, this Browns team is going to be a Fukushima level disaster... Winston will be starting and it will only look horrible for them in different ways than Watson
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kind of fitting considering he was the browns achilles when it came to winning.
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Another game gets easier for us.
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at least deshean made the decision to bench himself instead of management getting asked ad nauseam when they will make the switch. :thumb:
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Should be able to massage that and get back on the field in the second half
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