No tears here, and I believe Denver still owns the sellout streak record. Arguing football on the internet is something I haven’t done much of since Manning retired, though.

Cool. Enjoy 3rd place!

:D

Spoken like a true Mule Tool, Errrr... I mean true fan! Just like most of your fan base. LMAO

Don’t get me wrong, I watched every game and followed every draft, signing and trade. I just didn’t bother Chiefs fans online.

Because you’re a front runner like most of the Broncos fans here.

Exactly the case. We all saw what happened. When the going gets tough, they GONE! LMAO

I don’t know the guy, but I don’t think he qualifies for that….

He just told us himself that he qualifies for that.

I used to be an incredibly loyal, unflinching Browns fan before they became the Ravens.

I now see that if you have loyal fans, you don’t necessarily have to treat people like customers who have a choice. Customers who have a choice are treated better than fans who live and breathe by the product no matter how shitty it becomes.

I’m no longer interested in shitty products no matter whether their packaging is familiar or their name contains the name of the city I chose to live in.

I don’t see any virtue at all in being a loyal fan. Just offer a good product.

Yeah, fan loyalty is practically a scam.

I mean, on one extreme I would find it pointless to jump bandwagon to bandwagon and act like I was some die hard fan of a team for a few years when I can simply appreciate a great team and not be emotionally invested....... at the same time, it's freakin' weird to me to basically brag that you watched every Palko snap, Cassel game, Smith playoff loss, much less paid for tickets, while acting superior over people who found something better to do with their time than watch their shitty teams.

Not sure what you're talking about. I've been a Broncos fan since before they had any super bowl wins.

I don’t think you understand what I mean by front runner.

Huh, you tell me, I guess. I already told you that I watch every game, and now you know that I've been a fan for at least 24 years. You find my inconsistencies in posting frequency unacceptable?

Unacceptable? No.

Convenient.

Q Joe is the definition of a front running fan.

I’ll say this… my kids are 20, 18 and 15. I’m quite confident that I have not watched a full season of games real time in 20 years.

If the team is pure dog shit to watch and we know they’re going nowhere, I will pass on an opportunity to watch if it means I get that time with family.

Front running is what Knowmo Joe does….

You and maybe 1 or 2 other Cheating Donx fans here are the exception. Most are in fact front running Knowmo desciples. They proved it convincingly.

Life is short. I'm not going to sit there and watch a dog s*** team either

Exhibit B. True fans! ROFL

Another way to look at this trade is the Chiefs will "potentially" draft 4 higher quality prospects in the next couple of years which gives us a significant advantage. We draft higher than the Broncos in the first two rounds for the next couple of years.
By then, Broncos will have to pay Russ $40+ million per season in an extension to a player going into his decline.
The Broncos window is now yet they lack the O Line and D Line to compete with the very elite in the AFC.
They would need to hit a grandslam in this year's draft to really be in contention.

If someone is willing to make time and go watch all the games, more power to them. I don't pay for NFL Ticket, so if it's not on TV or I cannot watch on mobile... I'll miss it. That's been the story for 20 years.

If someone just tunes out and stops following until the team is good again, yeah you can say whatever you like.

And that is exactly what I'm saying... So many front running Bronco "true fans" on this site. All should be banned for a period of time, for bailing when things got tough. Knowmo should be banned several times for bailing every October for the past 5 or 6 years.

Sports are entertainment. Who cares why we watch or when we watch. You want to consider yourself a superfan for watching every game start to finish...fine. That's what you enjoy.

There’s no doubt that it’s much better to hit a grand slam on a relatively late pick to get the best QB in the league.

You are leaving out free agents—when Manning came, Denver was able to add a few very good free agents—e.g. Demarcus Ware. Denver’s odds of signing Von Miller, for example, went from zero to might happen with the addition of Russell.

I’ve been away from the board a few days so I haven’t read the entire thread but I see a lot of overreacting on both sides. Denver is a better team with Wilson. Are they the best team in the AFC West or even the AFC period? GTFO with that.

Bucky Brooks gets it.

My thoughts exactly… definitely an upgrade for Denver and it puts them into the playoff hunt. But the AFC is absolutely loaded with talented teams and young stud QBs. Russ is going to have to play out of his mind to best teams like the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, and Chargers and become a true title contender, and I just don’t see that happening.

Russ leading them from dumpster fire to stadium fire

Fire breaks out at Denver Broncos' stadium, Empower Field at Mile High

Elway roasting wieners?

This thread is neat.

In honor of SNR:

***Russell Wilson ****ing Sucks***

Yea, just a quick look at the first few pages, and me and you both tried to tell em...

Pete Carroll has to be a pretty happy dude right now.

This was prophetic...

The Nostradamus of our times

Why the media treated Wilson like he was Joe Montana was a sight to behold. There was never more proof those twats know nothing than that shit. Hell even Vegas bought in on the hype at one point. The Broncos were one of the top 4 or 5 teams favored to win the Super Bowl. The SUPER BOWL! LOLOL!

Or your new “franchise” QB could have regressed to the bottom third of the league and you are resigned to irrelevance for the next 5 years.

*4th lmao

Laugh all you like, I think I would choose Pete as well.

LOL

BODIED

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Are you a bitter Seahawks fan? The truth of the matter is the Broncos have been devoid of leader ship and they needed somebody like Russell to come in and shake it up. I only read with one thing you said there are desperate franchise. And they desperately needed a quarterback. <a href="https://t.co/hnFtnLXqwi">https://t.co/hnFtnLXqwi</a></p>&mdash; Mark Schlereth (@markschlereth) <a href="https://twitter.com/markschlereth/status/1522277023321784327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Apparently I was (and still am) pissed that we can’t have the cakewalk that was the AFCE for 2 mother****ing decades.

Loser shits on Dwayne Bowe for not winning a playoff game in his career when Sutton, Jeudy, and any other slapdick at WR on that team is about to replicate that very same fate

Herbert is still a much better QB than any of the Jets, Dolphin, and Bills quarterbacks from 2001-2019

What exactly was Aaron Rodgers part in all this? Was he trolling? Getting Hack a job? Paid to make the Broncos' sound/seem like a good place to land? Helping out his State Farm pal by making Denver PMII's Chicago(I own you!)? Will there be an investigation?????????

Wasn't there a pesky user that said Russell Wilson was better than Patrick Mahomes II? Lol no wonder Ubeja Vontell could never get into the Trivia Forum lol

RIP Ubeja.

Good times and fun reading!

Horseface's expression last night summed it up. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Suck it John!

As good as he was as a player, he is equally as bad as the GM.

Vegas wins every time. They got all those suckers to come throw money at a sinking ship. They took advantage of Dungver fans ineptitude.

Got a link?

I recant this statement from March… Fat Russell isn’t even the caliber of a washed up Matt Ryan. ROFL

Interesting comments. His stats at Seattle were all-time elite, but he looks absolutely terrible out there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thoughts on Russell Wilson…. <a href="https://t.co/IkIC4SP7rk">pic.twitter.com/IkIC4SP7rk</a></p>&mdash; Kyle Brandt (@KyleBrandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KyleBrandt/status/1578347405342539776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm trying to come up with an explanation on how this dude is playing so terribly. A big part of me thinks he has to get better, mostly because he can't really be any worse.

I went back to look at the first 5 games of a few other HoF QBs with their new team and these quick three I chose seemed to do just fine at the start of the transition.

Brady: 12 TDs and 4 INTs

Manning: 11 TDs and 3 INTs

Favre: 13 TDs and 6 INTs

Wilson: 4 TDs and 3 INTs

I'm not going to count Rivers or Ryan because those dudes made the switch in their last year (Ryan seriously needs to hang 'em up after this). The others, including Russ, are definitely in their twilight years but they still had some juice left in the tank.

I got my anus ripped out last night thanks to Russell Wilson's dumb****ery, but it was worth it.

The bump on this thread is funny timing for my only post in this thread.

To be honest I thought the Colts would be better. That must've been before they got Ryan, though (YIKES he looks his age).

But still, no worries vs Denver, in their building, with no fluke special teams or awful ref calls helping them out.

Montana’s Chiefs were 4-1 in the first 5 games and Joe had 6 TD with 1 INT. Broncos are lucky to not be 1-4 or 0-5 right now.

I don't know if that Broncos team knows how to conduct a training camp and run practices.

Wilson took no preseason snaps and they go 2 games without knowing how to get game calls in.

If Eric Bieniemy brought Andy Reid training camp schedule and pace to Denver, and hired good coordinators and head coached the game and did not call plays, Denver could be 5-0 and nobody noticing any decline in Russell Wilson.

As much shit as the chief planet know nothings say about EB being the only Andy Reid OC that does not get a HC gig is EB's fault, there are examples every year of coaches that do not know how to run the show getting jobs.

If Hackett gets shitcanned, and EB is the hire, I might actually think the Chiefs winning streak over Donx since 2015 could end.

damn, you know it's bad when kyle brant goes in on you ROFL

I for one enjoy the Broncos misery

New head coaches think they have some new, revolutionary approach to the game all the time.

It blows up in their face 99 times out of 100.

Fan equity is so hard to earn and so quickly dismissed by professional athletes.

And very few guys ever earn it back. And frankly, it lasts WELL beyond the end of your playing career.

For a lot of them I think it's pride - they're convinced they'll get the new fans to love them just as much as their old ones. Because none of them will ever come to grips with their career mortality - most of these guys are on the back sides of their careers when they make these moves.

Russell Wilson will retire from this game and not a single swinging dick on earth will care what happens to him afterwards. He's burned every bridge there is to burn and doesn't have the tools to build new ones.

I talked about it when Pujols left STL - he went to LA where they just don't give a shit what he did with the Cardinals. So he was starting from zero but with diminishing skills. It's often a really really bad career move.

Grass isn't always greener, lads...

An inexperienced guy that tries to be a pal to everybody and does not pay attention to details of running an efficient schedule to get everyone prepared is a good interview , but not a good HC.

Pete Carroll is a bell of a coach.

I hear Broncos fans are asking for a do-over!

I have a saying I tell my helper coaches and players in youth football.

"Meat and potatoes".

Keep it simple, but it's full of substance.

Helper coaches want to get exotic, install their own crazy ideas. It never works.

I have to say I was wrong here, he isn't even average anymore LMAO

RunKC saying he'd rather have Wilson than Rodgers was...off base.

The biggest feather in Denver's cap in that whole exchange was that they had so much flexibility in Russ's contract because the structure of it gave him a lower base salary and the signing bonuses hit Seattle's cap. They had an opportunity to use that flexibility to their advantage.

Instead they just set it all on fire and doubled down on a mediocre QB.

Just ****ed this thing up coming and going. And if my memory on the extension is correct, it came during camp - right? They'd seen him play. They had to realize something was amiss.

Just remarkably awful.

Cap Hits to 2026

Wilson 188.2 million
Mahomes 215 million

Dead Cap money at 2025

Wilson 50 million
Mahomes 4 million


This just keeps getting better and better!

Russell's contract details are so horrifying.

Denver is like Pontius Pilate, doomed to walk the earth for eternity.

The cherry on top will be when Seattle drafts a franchise QB with one of Denver's picks.

Mostly due to age, but it’s fair to say Rodgers has looked way worse than his usual self due to a huge downgrade at WR.

But Rodgers has a very good OL, very good talent at RB and a capable coach. Russ has..a good 2nd running back?

I don’t think Rodgers looks much better in Denver right now. It’s just a complete tire fire there

Doubling down? LMAO

Dude, Rodgers, even this season, is in another stratosphere.

I've supported Wilson as much as the next guy, but Rodgers has an argument for top 5 all-time. I think most would agree he's top 10 at worst.

Wilson is more like top 25-50.

So far so good.

Here’s a solid list, though I think Manning, Rodgers & Favre should not be ahead of Montana:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

I thought it was criminal to make a trade like that while the team was up for sale.

Frankly, I think the move was done to make more money due to this myth that Wilson was one of the top 5 QBs in the league.

https://y.yarn.co/3ef45b40-0802-482d...fcee5_text.gif

I mean....huh?

Yes but Rodgers doesn’t look great either. In fact he’s looked terrible compared to his normal self.

He’s on pace to throw for less than 4,000 yards and throw the most interceptions that he’s had since his first year starting this in 2008.

That’s why it was so funny hearing Knowmo sell Denver as this Uber talented team. They suck. And their OL is pretty damn terrible even with Bolles

Rodgers chose to stay in GB over ever even trying to force a trade to Denver. I think he knew how bad Hackett was. Who better to know that than him?

The point is if Rodgers did go to Denver like Broncos fans had originally hoped, I think he’d look washed too.

Hackett is terrible, their OL is terrible, their top 2 WR’s have dropped more passes than any other teams too 2 receivers and there’s no talent at all at TE.

Much to Denver’s dismay, and to our joy, they don’t have any pieces for any QB at all. And now their GM has solidified that by foolishly handing an elite QB contract to Russell and giving up 2 years worth of early draft picks. He’s really put them in a nasty position that could take 3-4 years to rebuild….which I’m sure he will be long gone by then and this mess will be handed to the next GM to clean up.

TLDR: Denver sucks everywhere on offense and Rodgers or Wilson doesn’t change that

Except that Rodgers doesn't miss Hamler. Rodgers doesn't miss every single deep shot he took. Rodgers doesn't hold the ball too long or throw it late over the chute.

Rodgers and Wilson aren't on the same plane right now. Rodgers may not be able to make his team orders of magnitude better than it is (though that's arguable) - but he damn sure doesn't make it substantially worse.

Right now that's exactly what Russell Wilson is doing. Any problem Denver has is being magnified by the disaster they have under center.

As a resident of Denver, I'll at least give Broncos fans credit. They're often annoyingly optimistic, but this season I feel like they've been 100% realistic about the fact that their franchise is screwed for the forseeable future. This post-game broadcast is so direct, it's almost refreshing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Broncos local station apologizes to audience for the terrible football game, launches into marvelous criticism <a href="https://t.co/kqT6mREWwt">pic.twitter.com/kqT6mREWwt</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) <a href="https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1578237046556172288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's an ugly loss for a team with a newly acquired franchise QB. However, I expect the Broncos to turn it on in the second half of the season. They're not in a groove offensively just yet but they have a lot of talent on defense. (The Colts will fade sooner than later.)

The meme’s are delicious today

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Maybe Drew Lock wasn’t so bad after all” <a href="https://t.co/33xFc5qK3o">pic.twitter.com/33xFc5qK3o</a></p>&mdash; ������ (@nesmithenjoyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/nesmithenjoyer/status/1578224864950878211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>