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Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)
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So you are saying the Chiefs 26th ranked defense against the run won't play a part in the outcome ? You are saying that Kyle Shanahan won't create a game plan specifically to to take advantage of a very average if not very below average run defense? Do not hold your breath. |
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Jimmy is better than anyone gives him credit for, but he is still mistake prone. That said, he can make every throw in the book, he just has to stop forcing throws when they aren't there. |
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Why??? Because 90% of all chiefs fans are shaped just like Andy Reid. |
Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)
The Chiefs pretty clearly were holding the offense back a little later in the season and they essentially shut down the offense basically all season in the fourth quarter when points weren’t needed when the Chiefs won by two or more scores. It has led to not getting nearly as many points as they easily could have and is really the only reason they don’t have the number one ranked offense statistically.
The Chiefs won 7 games by two or more scores. In the fourth quarter of those games they scored 38 points for 5.4 points per fourth quarter. For comparison The 49ers had eight games won by two or more scores and in the fourth quarter of those games they scored 66 points for a 8.25 average. The Chiefs offense has been the best all season despite what people want to say about the Ravens or someone else. And you are seeing it in the playoffs with us no longer holding back the scoring. |
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Don’t use stats to point out abt flaws of the Chiefs. Got cha. Please explain without using stats why Mahomes is better than Watson? |
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Here's the only stat I care about: we haven't been to the super bowl in 50 ****ing years. When was your last trip? Like 6 years ago or something? Shit...most people on this board went through middle school, high school, college, a marriage, a divorce, another marriage, marriage counseling, and then another divorce, then watched their kids graduate, then college, and became grandparents, and then great-grandparents. Most of us stopped wondering if we were going to be alive to watch this day, and instead started to wonder if our kids would live long enough to see this day. 6 ****ing years is all you had to wait. Christ, the Lord of The Rings trilogy is older than your last trip. The new Star Wars trilogy is almost as old. So, for you to say you get no respect...I get that, but **** your feelings of being upset over it. You won't get very much of it here. We've waited too long, been through too much, and every damn one of us knows that stats don't mean shit right now. Because we're gonna kick that ass and nothing will stop us. We're bringing that trophy back home with us when we leave Miami. |
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I respect all that man!!! Bravo to you and you fan base!!! Great post!!! One thing tho, the runner up doesn’t get a trophy to take home. |
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Did you not watch the game yesterday? You didn't, did you? You really think that Derrick Henry couldn't get going but your guys are going to dominate? |
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By the way, "one helluva QB" Watson has choked in 2 playoff games and was bailed out by an even bigger choke from Josh Allen. I'm pretty damn confident if roles were reversed, Mahomes would not have lost a game by 20 points after leading by 24. Would have been a lot more competitive in the 4th quarter. Deshaun disappeared in the 2nd half. |
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We shut down Rogers for the majority of the game. What makes you think we won’t do the same to Mahomes?? Same logic. |
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I think Hardman will step up next year enough to fill Sammy's shoes, if not more. |
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You sound just like the pat fans, the texan fans, and titan fans who showed up before the games. EXACTLY. You're scared . and you should be. |
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Yes I’am scared. Said that since my first post. Foolish of you not to be. |
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Change my mind. |
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The Titans essentially tell you what they are going to do and you just have to find a way to stop it. Its tough, because Derrick Henry is a beast, but their offense isn't super complicated in that way. The 49ers offense just disguises everything. Not to mention Juice and Kittle, which is like having two extra OL out there blocking. I'm not claiming the 49ers running game is better than the Titans(although they were statistically during the regular season), but I do think its probably more difficult to defend. Either way, pointing to the Titans game doesn't make much sense to me, because our run offenses aren't similar at all. |
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But I'm bored. So . . . I'll point out that I didn't say what you are inferring. At all. What I said was that posting that the Chiefs have the "26th worst rush defense in the league," isn't accurate, because it includes the first 8 weeks of the season, and doesn't adequately describe their improvement since week 7 or 8. Conversely, our running defense isn't top 3 either, which it would appear to be if one just looked at their stats from the month of December, for example. The truth of it is, that while we had a pretty tough schedule for the first 10 weeks or so, it got a lot easier down the stretch, with the real exception of the Chargers, who were ranked 10th offensively overall. And in spite of their terrible turn-over ratio, were somewhat of a tough out. So in reality, our run defense isn't really 26th anymore. It couldn't be, or we couldn't have held Derrick Henry to just 69 yards on Sunday. And anyone who watched them play in the first 6 weeks vs. the last four games can easily see without even looking at the stat lines that the Chiefs defense is significantly better at stopping the run than they were in September. Our DL is lining up better more consistently, our LBs are aligning themselves better, they're attacking the gaps better, our DEs are setting the edges better, and so on. Again, they aren't perfect; they're just better than what they were. And someone else can find and post it if they care to (I'm whacked on Nyquil right now, so I'm not going to) but if you look up the advanced weighted stat analyses available, you'd find our run defense is somewhere around 10th over the last 8 weeks or so. Not 26th. But if you want to believe that the Chiefs' run D is 26th, go right ahead. Then when we hold your RBs to something like 100-125 yards, you can blame your OC more easily I guess. But I want you to remember this: your RBs will run pretty well in the first half. But sometime towards the end of the half or early in the third quarter, our defense will start plugging holes. And your RBs won't be nearly as effective for the rest of the game. And if Pat finds his groove in the third, we're going to get up on your defense by 14 points. And you'll abandon the run. And then we'll see if Jimmy G. can go toe-to-toe with Pat Mahomes. Throw for throw, TD for TD. |
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49ers trolls are springing up on here faster than a San Fran homeless camp.
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You obviously didn't watch the 49ers run game all season. The 49ers ranked 2nd in the run game during the season. Derrick Henry? Really ? The 49ers are not the Texans or the Titans they are an offense that the Chiefs 26th ranked Defense has never seen all year. Mahomes is good...very good but without a decent run game behind him and with a weak defense ? That trip to Miami will not end well for the Chiefs. The media is blowing up the Chiefs offense and the 49er defense along with the 49er run game. There is a reason why nobody is taking the Chiefs defense seriously. It's because they do not have one. Kyle Shanahan is smiling from ear to ear. It won't be close. 49ers by 15 |
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But hey, don't take my word for it. Just do me a favor : come back here and admit you were wrong after we stomp a mudhole in that Santa Clara ass on Feb 2. Ok? |
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I don’t Want to believe the Chiefs are ranked 26th. They are ranked 26th. But like I said, if you wanna only look at the back end of the schedule because that’s when your defense improved, cool beans. Whatever fits your narrative. And if you want an answer to the bold, just look at the 49ers vs Saints. Jimmy G held his own going up against Brees. |
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Good luck. I hope ShanaratJr. eats his Wheaties. |
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I’m literally saying you guys are the better team. |
Shanarat Jr. will probably spray down his O linemen with cooking spray just as his rat-faced Dad did in Denver.
The rat does not fall too far away from the cheese. |
It's pretty disingenuous to say the Chiefs have a terrible run defense and then give them ZERO credit for shutting down Derrick effing Henry (behind a KILLER offensive line).
Personally, I think the 49ers passing game could be way more of a factor in this game. Kittle is a hell of a tight end. Shanahan is a great play caller. They have some good weapons at RB/WR that they can use in the passing game as well. |
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How come you don't understand that "#26 run defense" means **** all at this point? |
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As for comparing Drew Brees and the Saints passing attack to Pat and the Chiefs receivers is apples and oranges. The Saints offense doesn't have any speed receivers, certainly nothing like what we have in Hill, Kelce, Watkins and Hardman. And while Drew Brees is a HOF QB he isn't anywhere near the same type of thrower that Pat is. He can't throw over the top anymore, and never could throw the way Mahomes throws. Which you really should know after how Pat literally disemboweled your secondary last year. |
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Jimmy G held his own against shit. Get ready for the REAL Bruce LeRoy. |
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I was referring to this poster saying that stats are irrelevant. So I asked him to prove that Mahomes is better than Watson without using stats. As far as the #26 ranking, it get a little irritating when posters start ignoring 2019 stats and only look at the weeks that their defense looked stellar. I’m not bringing up stats. I’m only responding to the ones that are. We played the toughest stretch of games with multiple injuries. Or else we’d be ranked higher. You guys had your share on injuries so I don’t bring it up. But it’s obvious that your team got healthy after week 11 (I assume) but we didn’t get fully healthy till the Viking game 2 weeks ago. |
Falcons defense shut down the 49ers offense and won the game with Matty Ice throwing for 200 yards. They are on a lucky streak, but this is who they are.
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49ers suck, just been lucky all season. |
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As far as last year, we had no pass rush. We do this year. But like I said many many many times already (which I’m sure you’ve ignored) if we can’t get to Mahomes, I expect the same result as last year. |
For real though, best of luck guys. The Chiefs have a dynasty in the making, and I'm sure this is the first of what will be many Super Bowls with Patrick Mahomes. I'm hoping the Niners can steal this one, but it just doesn't seem likely.
Hope ya'll have a wonderful night(even you staylor ya pleb :-p) <3 |
Oh, for Pete's sake . . . these two trolls grabbed that "26th" stat from the 2019 regular season total rushing defensive line. That's every yard accumulated for the year. That doesn't tell you anything useful at all.
reeruned . . . |
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But the main thing for them on defense was signing Mike Pennel and Terrell Suggs during the season. That's why the early season defensive stats are misleading. Neither of those guys were there. But they lost Thornhill in Week 17 and that could end up playing a big factor in the Niners passing game. That's a big loss for the Chiefs and we'll see if Shanahan wants to attack it. |
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So many homophobic people on this board. Guess that’s to be expected by a bunch of fattys that wear CPAP masks to go to sleep. |
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I didn't say that stats were irrelevant; pay attention, boy. I said they were irrelevant without CONTEXT. I know you people like to throw cherry-picked stats against the wall, and it probably even works for you most of the time. Your "26th ranked run defense" is based on the accumulation of every yard gained on the ground for the season. It is so general as to be worthless in terms of analyzing positive or negative trends over the course of the described time frame. It's the same thing as saying, "I drove 10,000 miles in a year." Which doesn't tell you anything about what type of vehicle, how often, during what times in the day, the average round-trip, the terrain traveled over, etc. It's literally meaningless without context. |
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But we all know that SF is where gay people poop on the street. SO PROGRESSIVE. |
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Of course it doesn’t. I assume that only the stats after week 11 do. |
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Difference is, I think he's going to get it. We've got some fresh legs in the backfield... |
So for the whining by Niner fans in this thread about how cocky the KC fanbase is, I just checked the Niner forum. VERY COCKY comments on there. Zero respect for the Chiefs. SO it's a two-way street, folks. You can't come on here and whine when your own forum is filled with the same kind of arrogant behavior.
I have a lot of respect for the Niners (loaded with talent on both sides of the ball...great coaches). I think this will be a close game regardless of who wins, even if the arrogant bastards on your forum don't respect KC. Keep doubting Mahomes. The kid is an absolute baller with SERIOUS clutch factor (ask Belichick/Brady) and he will give your defense a pretty tough time just like Russell Wilson. |
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Just like that Titans guy, Turd something or other. Was on here before the Titans regular season game, then cam back for the game on Sunday. or more precisely, he came back the week before Sunday's game, then was curiously absent when we took the lead. |
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I’ma troll?? How? Because I don’t agree with y’all?? |
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Not a child either. Although I did drop out of high school. But what else would you expect from a 9er fan right. |
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Not sure that applies to me since been saying I expect you guys to win. |
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None at all. Feel free to enlighten me. I’ma quick learner. |
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If only there were some examples from recent weeks that could be used to compare the chiefs run defense now to the chiefs run defense earlier in the season.
Like playing teams the Chiefs played earlier in the year. Oh. Wait. You want evidence of the Chiefs improvement against the run? Go compare the Texans run game from week 6 to their performance in the divisional round. Go compare the Titans in Week 10 to yesterday. Major difference in both arenas. The Chiefs committed to stronger run defenders at DT in Mike Pennel and SLB in Reggie Ragland. Frank a Clark got healthy, and they added an elite edge setter in Terrell Suggs. The improvement is real and not just based on belief. Stats driven by personnel changes and improvements. Sizzle has seen the 49ers twice this year and is a student of the game. That will be a nice little bonus beyond just his skill set. The 49ers are good and it will be a damn tough game. |
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Texans and Titans.. Enough said. |
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I think it's very possible we see a shootout where each team goes over 30 points. |
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Sorry to disappoint. Just have a regular 9-5 that barely gets me by. And whatever extra money I have, I’m saving up to take my daughter to her first game. Nothing fancy about me. Just work hard to get the bare minimum in life. |
This game will be Saleh vs Reid. This is all you have to know.;)
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So you think Shanahan and his 2nd ranked offense against the Chiefs 26th ranked defense against the run won't have any effect on the outcome of the game? �� |
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Still plenty of time to come on over to the side of the good guys. Plenty of room on the bandwagon. You'd fit right in... |
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I’d fit right in??? I’m not overweight tho. |
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