Just remember, BlackOp did this same EXACT shit last season. Said all the same damn things.

Then the Raiders closed the season losing 5 of their final 6 games....

And now here we are again.

I guess, on the eve of opening TWO new stadiums, and a necessity to sell Seat Licenses for the following season, the rigged NFL script writers decided to award the Chargers with their worst season in recent memory, a Raiders collapse (and another losing season) and the Rams missed the playoffs, finishing 3rd in their division.

On what would be the most important season for all three relocated teams, the "rigged NFL" had all three teams miss the playoffs.

It's cool...dont stop believing.

Got to protect that imaginary fort....for imaginary reasons.

That doesn't address my post at all.

Explain the failure of your last season's predictions please.

You have it all figured out, so this should be easy.

Why did all 3 relocated teams miss the playoffs last season?

Why the Raiders fail to miss the playoffs despite your claims that the NFL was going to make sure they made the post season?

Why did the Chiefs win the SB if the NFL doesn't care about the midwest?

Why are the Chargers sitting at 1-4 when they've failed to meet the seat licensing sales that they based their financials on? The sales that they promised to the Rams that they'd make?

Explain to me how the Rams losing to the 49ers and falling to 3rd in their division helps them sell tickets.

He's something. It takes a "special" kind of person to continually spew his kind of bullshit interlaced with intermittent times of lucidity.

I guess Blackop isn't interested in salvaging his credibility....

They arent going rig every season for the same team...unless your owner controls the television contracts.

They caught so much blow-back from the Rams fiasco..including the entire city of NO boycotting the Superbowl and billboards being put up...that they had to create a new rule...which they had no real intention of enforcing. It was just PR damage control...the SB was the least watched in 2 decades.

The entire NFL watching public wanted a Brees/Mahomes SB...and both were denied due to questionable 4th quarter officiating.

Chargers are decimated by injuries...again. How are they going to pimp 2 teams in the same division as their #1 moneymaker and ratings darling? The NFL will do what it can...but the Chargers are a lost cause this year.

If Herbert looks as good as he has...2021 will be their year of favoritism. They might not need much...

The maximum the officials can sway an outcome is around 10 points without widespread attention...and the teams still have be somewhat competitive. Simms called out the DPI no-call on the Raiders. Word travels fast these days. They couldn't push the Jets into the winner's circle...even if they wanted to.

The Rams sold out to make a SB push...then had to dismantle their team. There was already a spotlight on them after how they got to the SB...you really think the NFL is going to risk pimping them again..in back-to-back years?..after terrible SB ratings?

I was honestly surprised the Raiders didn't get the final spot...but Jacobs went on IR at the end. They were 6-4 at the time I predicted it... then were outscored 74-12 in back-to-back blow-outs. No amount officiating can massage that...then the Titans beat them by 22. They gave up 116 points in a 3 week span...you cant rig your way out of being terrible. Most games are decided by one score or less..

There was also the threat of their stadium being behind schedule..and playing at UNLV for a season.

It's tough for some to admit that teams go up and down from year to year.

KC finally loses a game after a 13 game winning stretch and it's the Refs fault/decision.

Keep convincing yourself that the officials didn't directly effect the outcome...even Simms said on his show...that the DPI no-call was the turning point in the game.

You guys REALLY need to believe...it's kind of wild.

I'm fine with KC being straight up beaten...not so much with one-sided officiating taking points/big plays off the board. That's horseshit on both sides...it cheapens the game.

No, I kind of side with you. If that penalty would have been called KC would've went on to score 3 more TD's to crush the hapless underperforming Raiders and win the game. The Raiders would've folded right after that DPI.

NFL films says this was the turning point though.

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Why do you assume the Raiders even need help selling tickets? From all reports, fan enthusiasm for the Vegas Raiders has been high. They haven't had any financial set backs, haven't struggled to sell tickets or licensing, and their fans have been the most receptive to the relocation than the other two teams.

Meanwhile in L.A, both teams are struggled to sell season tickets and the Chargers, embarrassingly, have way, way undersold their projected seat licensing in a SoCal market that the NFL typically struggled with.

Your logic, from a business standpoint, simply does not hold up here at all.

1. The Chargers, the team that needs the most help, has year after year failed to produce a decent season. Their one winning season in recent memory came AFTER the stadium deal was approved, so don't even bother with your cliche answer there. If the NFL were rigged for financial reasons, the Raiders need the least amount of help, the Chargers the most.

2. Rigged Refs prevent blow outs from occurring with simple holding calls and P.I's. Matter of fact, if it were rigged, based off YOUR logic, there would be no blowouts. As you explained in weeks past, the refs are used to at least keep the games close. That's how you've gone on to explain why the Chiefs aren't blowing teams out.

3. Back in week 2, you claimed that the games was rigged for the Chargers to win. That's changed all of a sudden because of injuries? LMAO

What injuries are you referring to? They don't have ONE season ending injury to a key player. You completely made that shit up based on the ol' "Chargers are always injured" rehtoric. Keenan Allen? Hunter Henry? Mike Williams? Joey Bosa? Melvin Ingrahm? All of their key players are still there. So that's BUUUULLSHIT.

4. In year's past you've gone on to say that even players and coaches are in on it. After teh Chiefs won the SB you've changed your tune to "Well, sometimes teams are so good that they can overcome the script writers". Which is it, are they playing to win or playing to adhere to the script? You can't seem to make up on your mind on this so you teeter back and forth on this.

5. Admit that you were wrong. That simple. You were wrong about the Raiders, Rams and Chargers last season, you were wrong about the Chiefs. You were wrong about the Chargers this season and the jury is certainly still out on the Raiders and Rams.

6. Do you believe that ONE season of success is what builds a fan base? Because that's what you're riding on. That a team can have one flukey season and then sell out the corresponding season. If that were true, why haven't the Chargers and Rams built a substantial fan base off their limited success?

Not only are you proven wrong year after year, your argument makes no sense from a monetary standpoint and you completely lack consistency in your theories.

You're making the shit up as you go and you're not bright enough to be good at it.

The guy who really needs to believe, is you. You feel this need to have this one-up on the sheeple so you can feel like you're "in the know". You need to feel intelligent and this is your coping mechanism to do so.

There's a big difference between "Officials directly affecting the outcome" and "The NFL is rigged".

99% of the people would agree that officials can directly affect the outcome. That's a no-shit.

And again, regarding the Raiders game, i would like to remind you that despite teh so-called "rigged" NFL, the Chiefs were a 4th-1 away from a chance to tie the game.

At the end of the day, the Chiefs defense failed to get the job done. That had nothing to do with the refs.

You bitch and complain after the Chiefs FINALLY lose a game, but you're nowhere to be found when the Chiefs are getting favorable calls. I guess it's not rigged when the Chiefs are winning.

We could sit here and talk about actual football and what actually took place in that game and what the Chiefs defense failed to do, and how the Chiefs offense failed to adjust.

But it's much easier to just make shit up about how the game is rigged. It requires far less intelligence, some imagination and some revisionist history.

I don't think the game is rigged but there were a handful of HORRIBLE calls in that game.

I don't think the refs do it on purpose, they're just really bad at their job.

Absolutely.

And it's in every sport. Intelligent people recognize that. People who feign intelligence don't and instead ramble on about inconsistent, illogical conspiracies.

I find calls maddening too. Every game, actually.

When the Chiefs are the beneficiary, we just shrug our shoulders and say, "whatever, i'll take it".

When the Chiefs are on the losing side of it, then all of a sudden the game is rigged.

GMAFB.

Where was BlackOp on that bullshit fumble call during the Patriots game two weeks ago? That was a bullshit ass call that went our way. A call that coulda shifted momentum and even possibly put the Chiefs at a deficit, and as Blackop likes to point out, "A HUUGE MOMENTUM SWING!". A Patriots win there would do wonder for keeping the AFCW and AFCE more competitive. Instead the Chiefs won, widening the gap in the AFCW, and keeping the Patriots down in their division.

He wasn't running around making a big deal about THAT, that's for sure.

You're being too simplistic.Youre just cherry picking and not looking at the entire picture. It doesn't need to happen immediately. The fact is the Rams magically became winners as soon as they moved.did the same thing when they moved to STL... SB appearance in short order. They don't need Chargers to do well yet.
Rams v 49ers? Season ain't over yet. It's a tv show with episodes to build future drama.

No, there really isn't. There absolutely isn't lol.
Directly affecting the game equals fixing the game.
They aren't making mistakes. They are doing exactly as told to.
It's as simple as that.
Someone above said, "they're just really bad at their job.
Lol years of training and 10 to 20 years of employment means they are doing exactly what the nfl wants or they'd be gone.
It doesn't compare to you running a 7-11. Multi billion industries don't make mistakes.Not like that.

It's tough for some to admit how artificial the ups and downs are.

Carlos and BlackOp jerk each other off wearing their tinfoil hats while watching conspiracy theory shows.

No, we don't watch conspiracy shows.


...cute sneakers

They just wear tin foil hats and jerk each other off.LMAO

I 100% think they do their best to keep games competitive though. So rigged might be strong but you best believe they don't want halftime scores that are 31-7.

By keeping a team in the game, you are artificially helping them to win. That equals fixing, no matter how you slice it.

Yet they get them anyway. Every week.

So apparently they suck at rigging...or they're not rigged.

And every week, the team in the lead seems to forget how to play football in the second half. In the real world, games would be boring and decided in the 3rd qtr almost 90% of the time.
But somehow, in magical tv land, the last 2 minutes seem to matter more often then not.

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I actually called them out on it..on this forum.

It wasn't taking off a TD bad though ...as KC punted the next play and a penalty followed. It cost them 30 yards of field position...so dont pretend it removed points they had already made. It was a really bad call...but was more about protecting their Goldenboy. Hoyer/Stidman weren't going to win that game...or magically gain momentum. They had scored 3 points through 3 quarters.

I noticed you conveniently vanished when I predicted the Raiders would win in their opener against the Saints...and there would be lop-sided officiating to ensure it. ****ing hypocrite...never seen anyone get so bent out of shape over someone calling the NFL out on their horseshit...is Goodell an ex-lover or something?

Truth is YOU need to feel intelligent...that's why you always follow me around in these types of threads. You'll never change my observations on this topic...and for what ever reason think if you get enough people to thumbs up your take...you've accomplished something.

I really dont care...you are always talking bullshit to someone.

Also...a fair amount of their season tickets were bought by corporations, casinos and people wanting to turn a buck on the resale to visitors. It's Vegas in the fall/winter...convention season. Don't pretend there was a mad dash by the locals to support the Raiders...and dont pretend if they suck, people will still be interested in watching them. The Raiders are like a Cirque du Soleil show...something do while you are in Vegas. It gives opposing fans a reason to go there...

You can’t even ref a middle school football game on the field in real time, Let alone do it at the nfl level

That has nothing to do with it. Meaningless remark.

They can sway a game by a lot more than 10 if they want to. Hell, they just swayed the Raiders game by 18. And they could’ve easily gotten away with a few more offensive or defensive holding calls or non-calls without widespread criticism.

I agree that some games are manipulated, but I don’t really buy that playoff teams are pre-planned, outcomes plotted, etc. I think it’s generally just an attempt to maintain a TV audience. Or, naturally, the Jordan treatment that stars in any league tend to have.

There appeared to be a pretty clear attempt to prevent a KC blowout in the first half vs Houston last year, Pittsburgh the year before, and the Raiders this year. But in all three cases, the officiating evened out after the score was tied or close. I don’t think they necessarily cared who won the games as long as ratings were preserved.

There is plenty of evidence to support that this happens. Not much evidence to support the theory that the NFL steers the regular season and postseason toward the most profitable outcomes. If this were happening, why would the smallest market have one of the most successful teams in history (Packers)? How was Buffalo allowed to dominate the AFC for years? The city of LA has what, one SB win almost 40 years ago? How has Pittsburgh been one of the most successful franchises? Why did it take so long for Philly to break through? Why haven’t the Bears won anything in the last 35 years? Why don’t the Jets ever win?

That thinking is too simplistic. They do it for many more ritualistic reasons than just money and all the leagues are in unison. Also, profit sharing nullifies the need for the major markets like Chicago/New York to win every year.
What happened before Raiders left? Warriors went to multiple finals and San Jose Sharks went deep in playoffs and SF went to SB. That cushions the blowback. Rams leave LA and Lakers go to 17 finals between between like 1979 and now. Nice way to make up for lost nfl money. It's not just nfl, 1 plus 1. There's more variables for billion dollar industries.
Missouri- nothing for decades and then boom 2014_15, 2 series for royals, 2018 Blues win Stanley and Chief's win SB. All happens right around the time they lose the Rams.
Coincidence, my ass.

It's still sports...or sports entertainment. That's the legal definition...the owners of the league designated it as an entertainment entity. Its the only one beside the WWF that has this definition. The NBA, NHL and MLB do not.

People need to think a little more on that front...it's not an accident.

Anyway...it's STILL a sport....it's main source of revenue is ratings. It has always had strong ties to gambling and the mob. It's why it was created...to circumvent Sunday gambling laws.

Jimmy the Greek used to have sections in newspapers...listing the over/under spreads...this goes back decades. It's intertwined in the culture because it IS the culture...

They arent going to overtly rig everything...they pick and choose their spots. Teams still have to be good...it's vital for their product. The Chiefs/Raiders checked all the boxes. 13 1/2 dogs, new stadium...national game following the bye, keeping them competitive. They made out like bandits...shaving off that many points ensured they would make millions...it's why they had Blakeman on the game. It's a covert racket...tied to athletics.

There is still the randomness human element...weird shaped ball bounces funny sometimes. You cant control everything....

It's a strange monopoly concoction of point spreads, advertisement deals, ratings and world-class athletes...and the kicker is... they have set it up so its all legal. They are free to run it as they see fit...brilliant.

Arguing over terminology is pointless.

I can live with that if that’s your definition of “fix.” It may be annoying, but, particularly with Mahomes, it can be overcome.

Now if it ever came out that wins/losses were pre-planned by the league, especially if coaches and/or players were involved, I would completely lose interest. That’s WWE.

Online game day program kinda cool

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I cannot wait to beat the living shit out of these turds on SNF.

Andy is going to hang onions that night.

********OFFICIAL Raiders suck thread********
 

Why yes, yes they do. ;)

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LOL

WE BROKE HIM

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Have you guys ever noticed Gruden’s and Reid’s Voices are very similar?

In defense of the reporter, it's a holiday, and a little blurb about a dish Gruden wants at Thanksgiving is a neat little way for the people of Las Vegas to get to know the Head Coach of their new football team.

The reporter may have asked players the same question. If I was the reporter, I would have countered with asking him if losing to the Chiefs really bothers you that much, why didn't you try to run more clock when they had the lead.

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Gruden's sounds more dejected, almost as if he realizes that he doesn't have a franchise quarterback and he's in a division that includes the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

Carr played they best game of his life and still didn't win....Gruden knows it.

Yeah, it's got to be frustrating that they did not lose because of Carr, but because of Mahomes. There's nothing you can do about that. Maybe run more clock when you have the lead at the end, but no matter what, they would have left about a minute on the clock...which as we all know is plenty of time for Mahomes.

I was relieved that they scored and gave us the ball back. It was weird hoping they would score, knowing that our defense was going to let them score, it was just a matter of time. And knowing that we would win because of it.

Glorious.

ROFL

Yeah, Raiders lost because Carr didn't outplay Mahomes in BOTH games this year. Last game was a case of who had the ball last with any time on the clock wins.

If the Raiders D was even average, we sweep y'all. Hell, if 3/4's of our D wasn't on the COVID list and we weren't missing three starters on D we probably sweep y'all.

Happy clinging to your visions of the past.

ROFL

If's and but's.

If the Chiefs defense was even average, we would have swept you!

See how that works?

It always makes me laugh to hear the talking heads comment about how Carr outplayed Mahomes. You’re right in your comments and if not for the refs and a bad route by Robinson the Chiefs would have won both games by double digits. The Raiders’ best game is no where near our best game.

I'm pretty convinced that this year is an outlier for Carr. I have just about zero confidence that he can keep up this kind of performance year in and year out.

He was pretty good last year for the most part, especially compared to previous years.

Has Carr ever won a big game in cold weather?

That will be the tell-tale...

Raider fans want to pretend they played the Chiefs with Watkins...and KC still averaged 33 PPG.

Chiefs were up 21-10 when he was in the game...then ref-ball. Without a holding call...it's 28-10.

Funny, Raiders had 1 offensive holding call, total, through both games...Chiefs had seven.

Carr is a sports car. Give him good road and he'll haul ass. Put him in the mud and he'll sit there like a lump.

His O-line protects him well and he has that extra millisecond to process and deliver. Get to him and he folds like a cheap suit. Reminiscent of Whitlock's BFF Jeff George. Or more recently, a healthy Dak behind that monster line of his.

I think it's pretty clear that The Raiders no longer suck.

<cough cough cough>

Ahem.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

"Yeah, but Atlanta's been playing really well lately, and they're a lot tougher out than you think and..."

So far so good. Classic Raiders.

We were clearly the Raiders Super Bowl. Raiders gonna Raider. What a weak ass team.


Oh, and **** you Chuckie.

I honestly feel bad for Carr. Dude wants really bad to be good, puts together a few good game and then pukes the ball up 4 times. Yeesh.

That being said, Piss on the Faid.

Perhaps your right, but they sure look like ass today

When will the Raiders be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

They ****IN SUCK!!!!!

Yeah screw carr the make up wearing bitch he is. I’ll never feel sorry for raider scum

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Yep, the dreaded “Super Bowl hangover”

Time for the Faiders to, well, Fade . . . . . . .

Water is wet.

The Raiders suck.

Discuss.

Ummmm not today.

Another 4th quarter comeback by Carr.

Absolutely disgusting. There should be some sort of discipline for that obvious tank job.

That is one stat that won’t be favorable to Mahomes over his career. With so many dominant performances it makes the 4th quarter comebacks a bit of a rarity with him.

Ummmmm, yes, today.

Never seen such an obvious tank job.

Faiders vs Jets =

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Would be funny if the NFL determined they threw the game and took their first pick away

Mahomes obviously is a better QB than most who have played.

Reality is Carr has to make comebacks because he’s never played with a good defense.

It doesn't help that he turns the ball over in bunches either, making it even harder for his defense.

Raiders suck and the Broncos blow


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Well, the fact that he's a shitty pussy hurts him too.

Faders are gonna Fade- that is what they do.

Another year, another 10 Million in Gruden's bank account to be mediocre.