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TambaBerry 01-25-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071567)
Dude I wanted Sutton gone, but if you think Spags is better than Sutton I’m sorry. Fact, History, and eye test say this is a lateral move.

Bro calm the hell down lmao you're like an insane person about this

Sofa King 01-25-2019 09:22 AM

The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

mnchiefsguy 01-25-2019 09:24 AM

Not thrilled with the hire, but I have said all along anyone but Sutton.

I stand by that statement.

If Spags can get the defense to 20th ranking or better, this team wins the Superbowl next year.

I think that is a reasonable expectation.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

Yup it’s ****ing reeruned

staylor26 01-25-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous?

We were an offsides penalty away from the SB with a bottom 5 defense.

Nobody is going to settle for that long term, but a top 20 defense next year should be enough if our offense stays healthy.

The Franchise 01-25-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14071590)
Bro calm the hell down lmao you're like an insane person about this

Because he is. He’s all upset because we didn’t go after Rex Ryan. As soon as we hired Spags....I knew he’d be in here bitching about switching to the 4-3.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-25-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

Well you’re not getting top 10 without either great talent or a cupcake schedule. The fact that some people seem to think otherwise is ridiculous.

KChiefs1 01-25-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.


We would all love a top 5 defense but realistically all it would take is a middle of the pack defense to win the Super Bowl.

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14071590)
Bro calm the hell down lmao you're like an insane person about this

ROFL

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071483)
He had a good defense because the Giants spent 200 million on defense in one off season

:shake:
So on a roster with tons of holes, they cut prince anakumura and added three agents who made $40m per year. So they basically netted two good free agents to a bad defense. Thats the $200m offseason we keep hearing about?

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 09:34 AM

every Bleeding Red post I read I hear in Bill Paxton's voice from Aliens.

"We're ****ed, man. Game over, man!"

What a baby.

warrior 01-25-2019 09:35 AM

Calm the #### down you're at each others throats over something none of us had control over-I'm not thrilled with the hire but let's give Spag a chance to see if he can turn the defense around or at least make it respectful-Let's not forget the Chiefs are the No ! offense and are favorites to win the Super Bowl already next year. Peace :arrow:

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14071622)
:shake:
So on a roster with tons of holes, they cut prince anakumura and added three agents who made $40m per year. So they basically netted two good free agents to a bad defense. Thats the $200m offseason we keep hearing about?

You’re trying to hard to spin the context, I understand man I really hope I’m wrong. But hiring Spags is the equivalent of hiring Mike McCoy or Brian Schottenheimer for Offensive Coordinator

dlphg9 01-25-2019 09:38 AM

All you mother ****ers just have to have something to bitch about. Hes a fine D coordinator and will have our D at 15-22 and we will win the SB.

Also I really like the 4-3. Hopefully we put DoD at one of the outside backer positions.

Have Houston, Jones, Speaks, Ford as the front 4 on passing downs. We'd probably get more sacks next year than we did this year.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-25-2019 09:38 AM

Take out 2012 bountygate season and 2017 **** McAdoo season and here is Spags’ defensive yards allowed rankings as a DC:

7th, 5th, 32nd, 10th

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 09:38 AM

I put him on ignore. I hate Bill Paxton.

Chiefnj2 01-25-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071510)
Oh that’s why they were on the field so much? Because they were tired and the offense sucked? Funny because they looked tired on the very first ****ing series.

Your reading comprehension skills suck. I said part of the reason. "PART". Yes, when your offense loses yards and goes 3 and out it is hard on a defense. It is particularly hard on a poor defense that has played like crap when coming from behind. Having the offense come out with a fast start and a lead was an integral part of the game plan that didn't work. The offense failed miserably in the first half.

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071567)
Dude I wanted Sutton gone, but if you think Spags is better than Sutton I’m sorry. Fact, History, and eye test say this is a lateral move.

Good grief. He is not worse than what Sutton has become. You're so quick to talk about his $200m offseason (adding 2.5 players) and yet include 2 out of 6 impossible no win situations as a DC as part of his average ranking. That seems fair.

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071634)
You’re trying to hard to spin the context, I understand man I really hope I’m wrong. But hiring Spags is the equivalent of hiring Mike McCoy or Brian Schottenheimer for Offensive Coordinator

I'm not. You're saying he had a $200m offseason as if they brought in a ton of players. He basically netted 2... Or 2.5 to be fair... Players to a 32 ranked defense. If we add 2 superstars and jump 30 spots id take that in a heartbeat.

staylor26 01-25-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 14071642)
Your reading comprehension skills suck. I said part of the reason. "PART". Yes, when your offense loses yards and goes 3 and out it is hard on a defense. It is particularly hard on a poor defense that has played like crap when coming from behind. Having the offense come out with a fast start and a lead was an integral part of the game plan that didn't work. The offense failed miserably in the first half.

My reading comprehension is fine. I know what you meant. I just think it’s ridiculous to put that on the offense either way. You can make just as much of a case that the defense made it more difficult on the offense by not getting off the field early on. The bottom line is if you’re trying to blame this loss on Reid you’re flat out nitpicking.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:47 AM

<a href="https://imgbb.com/"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/jg9MmtY/Spag3.png" alt="Spag3" border="0"></a>

I'm sorry that I'm not willing to hold out hope for a defensive coordinator that has been trash most of his career. Mind you with his W/L % his schedules were cup cake.

WhawhaWhat 01-25-2019 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071660)
<a href="https://imgbb.com/"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/jg9MmtY/Spag3.png" alt="Spag3" border="0"></a>

I'm sorry that I'm not willing to hold out hope for a defensive coordinator that has been trash most of his career.

I think he was in over his head as a head coach and in a disastrous situation with the Saints. Not saying he's not responsible for the performance of those seasons but I think there are more that go into them than simply team rankings.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 14071664)
I think he was in over his head as a head coach and in a disastrous situation with the Saints. Not saying he's not responsible for the performance of those seasons but I think there are more that go into them than simply team rankings.

I can concede things like that, but you have to look at the whole picture here. We are not going to switch from 3-4 to 4-3 in one year like nothing happened.

staylor26 01-25-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071665)
I can concede things like that, but you have to look at the whole picture here. We are not going to switch from 3-4 to 4-3 in one year like nothing happened.

JFC here we go with this switching shit again.

Are you ****ing reeruned?

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071672)
JFC here we go with this switching shit again.

Are you ****ing reeruned?

Lmao,

"We have players that sucked in a 3-4 but would be arguable better in a 4-3 because "Reasons" "

Reerun_KC 01-25-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071660)
<a href="https://imgbb.com/"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/jg9MmtY/Spag3.png" alt="Spag3" border="0"></a>

I'm sorry that I'm not willing to hold out hope for a defensive coordinator that has been trash most of his career. Mind you with his W/L % his schedules were cup cake.

But he’s god red and gold on now. Past doesn’t matter. He’ll fix it. You’ll see.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14071677)
But he’s god red and gold on now. Past doesn’t matter. He’ll fix it. You’ll see.

God my eyes have been opened now ROFLROFLROFL

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071660)
<a href="https://imgbb.com/"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/jg9MmtY/Spag3.png" alt="Spag3" border="0"></a>

I'm sorry that I'm not willing to hold out hope for a defensive coordinator that has been trash most of his career.

You're adding bountygate and McAdoo-gate again.
I don't care if hes a shitty head coach.

He's a DC for a stable coach. He will be able to add talent to his squad. I'm not at all worried about us being bottom 5 depending on how long it takes to adjust scheme. I'm barely worried about being even bottom 10.

dlphg9 01-25-2019 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071674)
Lmao,

"We have players that sucked in a 3-4 but would be arguable better in a 4-3 because "Reasons" "

Youre literally throwing a fit. You ****ing pussy. Kill yourself and then you wont have to worry anymore. How about we wait and see how it plays out before we go and get a prolapsed anus over it.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14071679)
You're adding bountygate and McAdoo-gate again.
I don't care if hes a shitty head coach.

He's a DC for a stable coach. He will be able to add talent to his squad. I'm not at all worried about us being bottom 5 depending on how long it takes to adjust scheme. I'm barely worried about being even bottom 10.

All I'm saying is you have no justification to not be worried other than feelings, which is fine.

But don't come back @ me saying I'm being insane or crazy because I think this has potential to be same or worse next year.

staylor26 01-25-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071674)
Lmao,

"We have players that sucked in a 3-4 but would be arguable better in a 4-3 because "Reasons" "

Yea we’re just all full of shit when we say Hitchens, DOD, Kpass, and Speaks are better fits in a 4-3

:rolleyes:

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071681)
Youre literally throwing a fit. You ****ing pussy. Kill yourself and then you wont have to worry anymore. How about we wait and see how it plays out before we go and get a prolapsed anus over it.

How is me pointing our the obviouse to people claiming dumb shit throwing a fit.

dlphg9 01-25-2019 09:57 AM

This place is so full of miserable ****ing cry babies.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071684)
Yea we’re just all full of shit when we say Hitchens, DOD, Kpass, and Speaks are better fits in a 4-3

:rolleyes:

Pretty much considering you haven't seen any of them in a 4-3 minus Hitchens

dlphg9 01-25-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071686)
How is me pointing our the obviouse to people claiming dumb shit throwing a fit.

Because youre being a whiny little ****

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071687)
This place is so full of miserable ****ing cry babies.

https://media.tenor.com/images/05087...d685/tenor.gif

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071690)
Because youre being a whiny little ****

You're*

staylor26 01-25-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071689)
Pretty much considering you haven't seen any of them in a 4-3 minus Hitchens

Ummm are you aware of the fact that they all did on college?

Besides, it’s a matter of projecting based on things like size and skill set. How else do you think teams find guys for their defense?

MahiMike 01-25-2019 10:00 AM

I'd love to know the questions Andy asked of Spags. But I'm sure he gave him time to review the guys on the team and compare to his scheme. I'm guessing they already know which guys fit/don't fit.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-25-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071501)
1. I didn’t call Nelson a good CB. I said he doesn’t suck, and regardless of what CP thinks he’s about to get paid. He played on an island all year long when he shouldn’t have and he still had a pretty good completion % and QBR when throwing his way. He was the most targeted corner in the league, so of course he was going to get beat. If I thought Nelson were good, I’d want to re-sign him.

2. I never once called Adam Gase a QB guru. I just said he got a raw deal in Miami while you continue to ignore context like you do every single time. His QB only playing in 50% of the games means absolutely nothing to you because you’re an idiot.

3. What 90% am I ignoring? Do you still think Kris Richard was an option dumbass?

The staylor Sutton/Nelson experience

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11480821)
I usually agree with your takes, but I think you're off on Nelson. He most certainly has the size and speed to play outside. He's faster than Peters and only a couple inches shorter. He's also physical and plays bigger than he is. I think Nelson is the perfect nickel for our scheme.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11578120)
Damn I remember looking back at Studebakers measurables/stats, but don't remember them being THAT good. Still feel Catapano was a much better prospect than those guys though and in a much better situation with Dorsey/Reid/Sutton overseeing him. We also have yet to see him play with the added size/strength. I think his ceiling is Jarret Johnson.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11626511)
It's possible, but my thinking is simply this: great defenses lose core guys all the time and keep it together (Seahawks, Ravens, 49ers) and with the depth we have on that side of the ball there's no reason not to believe in the "next man up" philosophy. It will sting a little, but Sutton will scheme around it.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11770071)
That same awful single high coverage worked extremely well last year and will work again now that we have Sean Smith back and we aren't playing Aaron Rodgers again. Some of you are extremely ****ing reeruned with your over reactions.

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 12372793)
I think John Dorsey has done an excellent job with respect to drafting over the past years.
As a result, our player personnel is getting better starting wise and depth wise.

However, I still don't feel optimistic and hopeful that the Chiefs will win a SuperBowl.

The problem with this team lies within the coaching and quarterback.

Even though Alex Smith is a winner, I never seen him as a guy that could carry a team through controversy. If the Chiefs are losing, forget it. Their chances of coming back to win a football game aren't good. Alex Smith isnt the guy that will be engineering game tying or winning drives. He is the main reason why the Chiefs aren't a come from behind team.

Combine that with the fact the Chiefs have a coach in Andy Reid that doesn't know how to manage a game clock or call sensible plays at the right time when needed be and also Sutton can't make defensive adjustments during games.

It's the same sh*t. Don't forget this folks. Let's keep this reality in perspective and remember these are the reasons the Chiefs won't win a SuperBowl under this regime.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12372809)
:facepalm:

Wow. Coming back from 1-5 to win 11 straight, and you have fans saying stupid shit like this?

Good grief. One of the worst takes I've seen on CP in a while.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12951195)
And it's kind of irrelevant since Bob Sutton and the defense continue to be the strength of the team.

Sutton might not be JJ, but he's one of the best currently in the NFL. He's better than Chiefs fans give him credit for.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12951224)
Sutton will be here for the remainder of Reid's tenure unless he dies.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12989175)
In terms of personnel/health, this should be the best defense we've had under Reid/Sutton.

The above post was in 2017, BTW

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13050908)
"Self-destruct"? LMAO

This teams been good defensively in the red zone for pretty much Sutton's entire tenure. Bend but don't break.That's what we do.

Except this year our front 7 looks capable of being really good against the run. Making your post even more irrelevant.

Another 2017 gem

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13364621)
Sutton’s not going anywhere any time soon.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13474236)
What difference makers are you talking about outside of Peters?

And if you honestly think we’re going to be worse you’re to fixated on what our roster looks like today. It’s ****ing March and the first week of free agency. Relax.

Called his shot on the 2018 D personnel above.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13892195)
It’s hilarious how the national media continues to talk about our D like it’s as bad as it was the first few weeks of the season.

They have no ****ing clue.

That's from November

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071695)
Ummm are you aware of the fact that they all did on college?

Besides, it’s a matter of projecting based on things like size and skill set. How else do you think teams find guys for their defense?

I know that, but we are also assuming that those guys will be players... Which I guess goes back on veach if none of them pan out.

But, hey man Ford developed enough for us to let him go

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071683)
All I'm saying is you have no justification to not be worried other than feelings, which is fine.

But don't come back @ me saying I'm being insane or crazy because I think this has potential to be same or worse next year.

You are being crazy for thinking we will be the same or worst than being the worst. I'm not thrilled. But I'm not worried because my bar is set really low.

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071692)
You're*

Oh cool the whiny bitch can put in an apostrophe. What other tricks you got up your sleeve?

stevieray 01-25-2019 10:05 AM

One thing I won't begrudge..is that they didn't waste much time. Within a week is pretty fast for this franchise.

Now get to work.

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071702)
I know that, but we are also assuming that those guys will be players... Which I guess goes back on veach if none of them pan out.

But, hey man Ford developed enough for us to let him go

Isnt it hard to read with all those tears in your eyes?

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071705)
Oh cool the whiny bitch can put in an apostrophe. What other tricks you got up your sleeve?

The magic of foresight into defensive performance based on historical evidence?

RunKC 01-25-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071674)
Lmao,

"We have players that sucked in a 3-4 but would be arguable better in a 4-3 because "Reasons" "

Speaks
Nnandi
O’Daniel
Hitchens

All of these guys played in a 4-3 defense just last year.

Kpassagnon
Ford
Jones

All these guys played in a 4-3 in college.

-King- 01-25-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

I thought we got rid of Alex because he needs a top 10 everything to win? Now we're doing the same with Mahomes? Saying we just need an average defense is accurate.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14071710)
Speaks
Nnandi
O’Daniel
Hitchens

All of these guys played in a 4-3 defense just last year.

Kpassagnon
Ford
Jones

All these guys played in a 4-3 in college.

Comparing NFL 4-3 to College 4-3 is silly don't do it. Pleas don't....

staylor26 01-25-2019 10:07 AM

Holy shit what a desperate attempt to make me look stupid because you’re getting owned on the topic at hand yet again. We’ve all been wrong before, so I really don’t understand what the point of that was?

Chiefnj2 01-25-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14071706)
One thing I won't begrudge..is that they didn't waste much time. Within a week is pretty fast for this franchise.

Now get to work.

I don't think Sutton was fired until they knew Spags would take the job.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071715)
Holy shit what a desperate attempt to make me look stupid because you’re getting owned on the topic at hand yet again. We’ve all been wrong before, so I really don’t understand what the point of that was? You did all that just to make me look stupid because you’re losing the argument at hand?

I don't think either side is "OWNING" because its to be determined. But, one side is clearly claiming they are "OWNING", yet everything they point out comes with nice big CONTEXT clues.

Sassy Squatch 01-25-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071714)
Comparing NFL 4-3 to College 4-3 is silly don't do it. Pleas don't....

Please*

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071709)
The magic of foresight into defensive performance based on historical evidence?

You wanted that reeruned foot sucker Rex as D coordinator. Hes been trash for about a decade and hasnt coached in like 2 or 3 years.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071725)
You wanted that reeruned foot sucker Rex as D coordinator. Hes been trash for about a decade and hasnt coached in like 2 or 3 years.

Incorrect

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14071724)
Please*

touché

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071714)
Comparing NFL 4-3 to College 4-3 is silly don't do it. Pleas don't....

Please*

Must be getting hard to type through the tears. Probably making your phone all wet and now its doing screwy things.

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071729)
Please*

Must be getting hard to type through the tears. Probably making your phone all wet and now its doing screwy things.

Nice substantive argument......

I told you I'm going to insult you if you keep this up.

staylor26 01-25-2019 10:12 AM

Funny how Hamas went that far back and still couldn’t find me saying Nelson was “good” or that Gase was a “QB guru”. You know, the two things I challenged him on in the post he quoted.

LMAO

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071731)
Nice substantive argument......

I told you I'm going to insult you if you keep this up.

I'm a piece of ****ing white trash, I say it proudly
And **** this battle, I don't wanna win, I'm outtie
Here, tell these people something they don't know about me

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071734)
I'm a piece of ****ing white trash, I say it proudly
And **** this battle, I don't wanna win, I'm outtie
Here, tell these people something they don't know about me

Matt Cassel Lover!

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071736)
Matt Cassel Lover!

Now thats a lie

RunKC 01-25-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071674)
Lmao,

"We have players that sucked in a 3-4 but would be arguable better in a 4-3 because "Reasons" "

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071714)
Comparing NFL 4-3 to College 4-3 is silly don't do it. Pleas don't....

They have experience playing in a 4-3. That’s not even the point.

Everybody plays their base 4-3/3-4 on 1st down and then switch to a subset on 2nd and 3rd down. It’s a specific design of nickel or dime defense with wrinkles.

We desperately needed to upgrade everything. Whether that takes time to learn or not is the bitch of it all, but we have players who fit Spags scheme better than Sutton’s.

That’s just a fact.

Simply Red 01-25-2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14071734)
I'm a piece of ****ing white trash, I say it proudly
And **** this battle, I don't wanna win, I'm outtie
Here, tell these people something they don't know about me

oh neat you saw 8 Mile.

philfree 01-25-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14071591)
The “we just need a top 20 defense” or “middle of the pack “ narrative is ridiculous.

Yes it is. An average defense is going to get owned by Brady just like our D was owned by Brady. We need a defense that can stand up and make key stops and hold a lead against playoff caliber teams and Tom Brady.

In58men 01-25-2019 10:18 AM

Chief fans will never change. If it’s not a big splash they won’t be satisfied. They’ll determine the outcome of personnel/player before they have a chance to go to work.

I’ll never forget the time CP told me “In Pioli we Trust”

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 14071746)
oh neat you saw 8 Mile.

Yeah good movie. Em should have won an Oscar

The Franchise 01-25-2019 10:22 AM

GUYS! GUYS! No way is a college 4-3 like an NFL 4-3. I mean obviously that's why NFL 4-3 teams don't draft players from teams that played the 4-3 in college. BECAUSE. IT'S. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

stevieray 01-25-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 14071721)
I don't think Sutton was fired until they knew Spags would take the job.



:hmmm:

Chief Pote 01-25-2019 10:25 AM

I would like to summarize my general feeling of this hire. Meet the new boss....same as the old boss. :harumph:

staylor26 01-25-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14071760)
GUYS! GUYS! No way is a college 4-3 like an NFL 4-3. I mean obviously that's why NFL 4-3 teams don't draft players from teams that played the 4-3 in college. BECAUSE. IT'S. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

Yea that was beyond stupid and a huge reach.

“Since they never played in an NFL 4-3 they’ve never played in one period!”

BleedingRed 01-25-2019 10:27 AM

People that are excited about this hire are all Matt Cassel Fans......

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14071760)
GUYS! GUYS! No way is a college 4-3 like an NFL 4-3. I mean obviously that's why NFL 4-3 teams don't draft players from teams that played the 4-3 in college. BECAUSE. IT'S. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

Can CryingTears explain the differences between the two?

staylor26 01-25-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071769)
People that are excited about this hire are all Matt Cassel Fans......

Who the **** is “excited”?

You realize there’s a middle ground between being excited and absolutely hating this hire right?

The Franchise 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-andy...084228411.html

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Critics of the move will point to Spagnuolo’s flaws. They’ll start with his roller-coaster history as a defensive coordinator, where for all of his Himalaya-like up seasons there were some equally porous down seasons. They’ll also talk about his age (59) and how he has made a lot of money during a career that included three seasons as an NFL head coach, making some wonder if he’ll grind the same way a young, first-time coordinator would.

Throw in the fact that Spagnuolo runs a 4-3 defense — which wouldn’t figure to jibe with the strengths of a team that has run a 3-4 system for over a decade — and it’s fair to wonder if he can get the unit up to speed before 2020, when the Chiefs’ salary-cap situation will be more congested due to the massive extension Mahomes will likely command the moment they can extend him (after the 2019 season).

While those concerns are fair — and Reid, 60, has surely been coaching long enough to understand them — Reid dismissed them and hired Spagnuolo anyway, for two main reasons.

Reason No. 1: Reid trusts the guy
The Chiefs came a defensive stop short of beating Reid’s archrival, Bill Belichick, and the New England Patriots in the AFC championship game. A win would have sent Reid to only his second Super Bowl in his 20 years as an NFL head coach.

Reid’s defensive coordinator during that Super Bowl season of 2004, when he was head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, was the great Jim Johnson, whose brilliant, progressive blitz schemes from the 4-3 front allowed Reid to do what he did best, and focus fully on offense.

You know who was else on that staff? Spagnuolo, who was the linebackers coach under Johnson and spent eight years as an assistant under Reid before he was hired to run the New York Giants’ defense in 2007. So there’s a comfortable familiarity here for Reid, who prefers to promote from within when possible.

And that matters, though Spagnuolo’s results in his six seasons as a defensive coordinator since then have been decidedly mixed. His defenses have ranked an average of 18th in points per game, 19th in yards allowed and 17th in sacks, numbers that are largely close to (or even below) what Sutton has accomplished the past six years in Kansas City (ninth in points per game, 11th in sacks and 20th in yards allowed).

But while Spagnuolo has led some stinky defenses — particularly in 2012 and 2015, when his groups finished 30th or worse in points and yards allowed — when Spagnuolo’s defenses have been good, they’ve shown the ability to be championship good.


Unlike Sutton, who has twice had his passive, zone-heavy defenses absolutely dissected in the playoffs by the Patriots, Spagnuolo’s aggressive, pressure-heavy defense single-handedly ruined the Patriots’ perfect 2007 season in the Super Bowl with a masterful gameplan, one Reid hopes Spagnuolo can one day cajole from the league’s 31st-ranked defense the next time they face Brady and Belichick in the playoffs.

Reason No. 2: The 4-3 fits the new talent
It’s worth noting that Spagnuolo’s three best units — his 2007, 2008 and 2016 Giants — have all been powered by strong front sevens that the Chiefs might be better equipped to replicate.

The Chiefs spent three of their six 2018 NFL draft picks on players who could upgrade their front seven, and in retrospect, it’s probably not a coincidence that all three of them — defensive tackle Derrick Nnadi, defensive end Breeland Speaks and linebacker Dorian O’Daniel — were originally projected to be ideal fits in a 4-3 scheme during the draft process.


For instance, the 6-foot-3, 285-pound Speaks — a second-round pick who struggled to turn the corner as a 3-4 outside linebacker this season — projects as an ideal “power-based” end in Spagnuolo’s 4-3 scheme, someone who can reduce down between the tackle and tight end and defeat blocks to the run side with his power.

The 6-1, 220-pound O’Daniel was limited to a nickel or dime linebacker role in Sutton’s 3-4 scheme, but now the former third-round pick has the look of an ideal every-down weakside “run-and-hit” linebacker, while the run-stuffing Nnadi (6-1, 312 pounds), another third-round pick, held up fine as a 3-4 nose but could potentially clog the middle as the powerful one- or zero-technique Spagnuolo needs to make his zone-blitz scheme sing.

Even one more of the Chiefs’ acquisitions last offseason — middle linebacker Anthony Hitchens — is a better fit in the 4-3 scheme. Hitchens thrived as a versatile run-and-chase 4-3 linebacker in Dallas before signing a monster five-year, $45 million free-agent deal with the Chiefs last March. Hitchens often seemed tentative in the middle of the Chiefs’ 3-4 scheme, but a return to the 4-3 should do him some good.

But wait, there’s more!
Dee Ford ranked seventh in sacks (13) and fifth in pressures (29) as a 3-4 outside linebacker this season, but he put his hand in the dirt nearly every play in college and has the look of a 4-3 “rush” end, where quickness off the edge and pass-rush skill is mandatory in Spagnuolo’s system.

Meanwhile, it’s also easy to see emerging third-year pro Chris Jones — whose juice off the snap and long arms helped him rank third in sacks (15½) and fifth in pressures (29) this season — thriving as a three-technique gap-shooter in Spagnuolo’s system, a new role that could mitigate his occasional tendency to freelance vs. the run.

That’s six positions in the front seven filled with potentially solid positional fits, a tally that doesn’t include edge rusher Justin Houston (whose large salary makes him a cap risk, though he may return) and two younger players who need to prove themselves in Reggie Ragland (a classic 3-4 inside linebacker) and defensive end Tanoh Kpassagnon (who might not be explosive enough to be a “rush” end or stout enough to play the “power” side).

That leaves only strong-side linebacker as a position needing immediate attention, and considering the Chiefs possess four top-100 picks in this year’s draft and enough cap space to make some free-agent additions, it’s safe to say the reinforcements Spagnuolo needs to make the most of the 2019 defense are likely on the way.

So yes, there will be pressure on the Chiefs’ new defensive coordinator, someone who is potentially staring at his last opportunity to coordinate an NFL defense. After sitting out this past season — a trip to the coaching wilderness most coaches would rather avoid — if Spagnuolo fails to build a unit good enough to help Mahomes reach the Super Bowl, it will be hard to earn another gig like this.

Given his 20-plus years in the NFL, there’s no chance Spagnuolo doesn’t know that. And Reid, whose Hall of Fame candidacy will likely come down to whether he can build a defense good enough to win that elusive Super Bowl title as a head coach, is betting on it.

KC Hawks 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14071710)
Speaks
Nnandi
O’Daniel
Hitchens

All of these guys played in a 4-3 defense just last year.

Kpassagnon
Ford
Jones

All these guys played in a 4-3 in college.

I think SNR just had a stroke.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071769)
People that are excited about this hire are all Matt Cassel Fans......

Where are you finding people ‘excited’ about it? Most of us just aren’t being moronic about it and acting as if it’s a foregone conclusion that Spags will fail.

Titty Meat 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14071779)
Who the **** is “excited”?

You realize there’s a middle ground between being excited and absolutely hating this hire right?

You seemed pretty excited in them pics u sent me

The Franchise 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071769)
People that are excited about this hire are all Matt Cassel Fans......

Says the dipshit with an Alex Smith picture who spends 90% of his time in the DC.

dlphg9 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14071769)
People that are excited about this hire are all Matt Cassel Fans......

But what if we arent really excited or mad. Im just waiting and seeing. Id rather not cry over signed D coordinators.


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