So he comes from teams that have a history of being big cheaters? If he's our hire, I really hope that he doesn't bring those cheating ways to KC. Winning by cheating doesn't make you a winner. It just makes you a cheater.

Clark Hunt is not going to refuse to pay Dorsey. Reid wouldn't have signed his extension if he really wanted Dorsey to stay and Clark said no. Most likely explanation, given the timing, is that Reid is pissed off at Dorsey for mismanaging the cap to an extent it required cutting or Maclin, or convincing him to draft Mahomes. The timing is just crazy.

Spot on.

Screw that. Multiple players are cheating on every single NFL play. Madden was right. "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying."

Huge mistake, BUT, there are several issues that surely annoyed Clark. Hali's contract was terrible, effort should have been made to restructure Charles. Fans deserved that, regardless. The Tardif contract still stuns me. Then there is the tampering and lost draft pick, the failed 3rd round CB, Bailey's contract too expensive. Then there was the risk with Tyrek, but that one worked out, so did Parker and of course Peters. Getting Mahomes was a first class move. So there has been mistakes, but still I think Dorsey was the best GM in the history of the franchise. So what comes next? The team will change. Dorsey puts higher value on certain positions, someone else will see it differently. I just hope its an internal hire at this point. Worried we will reinvent the wheel and run this thing into the ditch.

I can't say that this is a step in the right direction.


****. It's a kick to the balls. Period.

This

For all his faults King Carl put football back on the map after the Steadman Schaaf years.

Derrick Thomas, Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Joe Montana, Marcus Allen >>> Anything Dorsey did

Carl has more than one playoff win on his resume.

Just sayin'.

I'll take Dorsey over Carl every day of the week.

Better on talent, better on admitting mistakes, better at actually trying to build up both sides of the ball at once.

Great another guy who's last name ends in "i"

Exodus? They were FIRED

Uh you might want to look at the divison championships...and Carl actually won three playoff games in his first five years.

Wowzer, crazy ass off season.

Let's not forget:

Neil Smith, Keith Cash, Kimble Anders, Priest Holmes, Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, James Hasty, Dale Carter, Mark Collins, Christian Okoye and many, many more.

Karl started flailing after Vermiel left.

so I heard on 610 that Bill Maas is saying that Reid was the man behind the scenes anyway so cutting bait with Dorsey is not as bad as you would think.

Sounds like Dorsey's job was to manage the $ and not much more. And he didn't do that very well, let's be honest.

King Carl's drafts were average at best, but his free agents leave Dorsey's in the dust.

Agreed.

So did Reid really draft Hill and Morse and signed all the free agents?

If you listen to what the guys on or some of the guys on 610 were saying, Doresy was Reid's bitch. Dorsey did what Reid said.

Maybe. But if he hit on Mahomes, that move alone will blow away Peterson. But let's compare his current best. Peters, Hill, Kelce, Jones are already among the best at their position. Terrence Hill looks like he could be too. Parker and Ware have been very good FA pickups as well. And it took Carl more than 4 years to get all the guys you listed. If Dorsey had gotten 20 years like Carl did, then his accomplishments would have likely eclipsed Carl's.

This is Clark screw up. Ballard was here so why now?

Next to starting Grbac in the playoffs, Karls worst move prior to Herm was letting Keith Traylor go.

If this is true and I mean if than Reid has really turned his personnel life around. He used to suck at this stuff. Now he's signing free agents like Parker and Mitchell and even got us our very own QB in Mahomey!!

Keith Traylor killed the Chiefs in the playoff game.


****.

Maybe Ballard wanted to leave?

It's a different NFL. Carl would be even worse in this era where drafting is even more important. It seems like the spin is that Dorsey was no big deal and Reid is the personnel man anyway seems like hope more than facts.

They had already fired him.


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Even if he was offered the KC job? I get the Luck factor but the cleaner logic says that he left because a GM was here and he was never offered the job.

The way they put it on 610 is, Reid is ready to sell out his own wife for a SB. So if you go with that, if he thought for any reason that Dorsey was prohibiting progress then he would run right over him.

Damn Reid giving no ****s. Makes sense on why we took Mahomes than

And at that point in time, Dorsey may not have shown his cards. Dorsey might have thought if he waited for Ballard to leave then tried to threaten Clark with "I still might go to elsewhere" or otherwise wouldn't commit long term thinking it would land him a bigger deal, well, how'd that work out?

So this year we should expect Reid to hire a man to do clock management for him. If Reid is all in on a SB and has an ounce of self-evaluation in him, he will find someone to help him with game management. And he might think about letting someone else call plays.

Whether Reid is capable of admitting these things to himself or others seems doubtful.

IF that's the case then yeah, Dorsey sucks and Clark gambled wrong that Dorsey would stay. However we can't really have it both ways here. If Dorsey was Reid's bitch than Clark should have made room for Ballard and parted with Dorsey. If Ballard was worth letting go for Dorsey, than Dorsey is worth more than 610 is saying.

Can't really say Dorsey isn't good yet we tried keeping him over Ballard.

We actually did pretty good at play calling last year

LMAO

You're ****ing reeruned.

How many GM's draft MULTIPLE Hall of Famers?

You're a legend in your own mind, Geno.

Stupidity, right on cue

You're still missing a possible scenario. If Reid said to keep Dorsey then Ballard was going to be allowed to walk. Personally I see it like this...

A) Dorsey was Reid's bitch
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B) Reid was semi-content with Dorsey at the time Ballard left so Clark keeps him
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C) Reid got pissed about the Maclin deal, especially after the JC deal
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D) Dorsey thought he had the team over the barrel with Ballard being gone
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Reid\Clark said, "hit the road, Jack" or John on this case

Derrrick Thomas, Will Shields, Tony Gonzales, Jared Allen.

Which future Hall of Famers have Pioli (in KC) and Dorsey, draft?

Good day, sunshine!!! And how are you???

Peters, Hill, Mahomes

Right now Peters is about the only one in that 3. Berry could be in the lost of probables and Houston if he stays healthy.

Better than you, as always.

Your takes in baseball and football are well documented.

Why do you even bother to post?

Do you enjoy being the dumbass in every thread?

Is that a BDSM deal?

Hill will break Hester's return TDs record

LMAO

Have you reached puberty yet?

I do it just to watch you rage on your keyboard

Nope not yet. I got my first hair on my balls 3 days ago

Only a damn moron ever believed Dorsey and Reid were on equal footing.

Typical response, Geno.

No original thought or content.

WTF?

I bet Hunt is paying Reid as the top coach in the league with his new extension and Dorsey was like "I want to be the highest paid GM and these teams have told me they will pay me as such"

And Clark looked at the salary cap and the fact KC only won 1 playoff game in 4 years and decided to pass.

The official release from KC seems to indicate that's the case by its exact wording of letting Dorsey Perdue other opportunities.

I bet John ends up GBs new GM.

Andy basically hired Dorsey, anyway...he will assist in hiring the next Dorsey, as well.

I just hope Dorsey doesn't take his scouts with him.

Yeah, once again, Clark Hunt is a goddamn liar because?

:facepalm:

It's gonna be Veach

I'd be ok with that.

What's original about you being a flaming asshole to everyone under the sun on here?

Try not being such a prick for a change.

how did teams, some of which who have actually gone to a Super Bowl, ever get by without Dorsey and his scouts?

After reading the posts about Reid being the one deciding on personnel, I am hopeful that may be the case. If so, then we should be fine. I would guess that the coaches often have more say so than they get credit for anyway. Take Marty for example. Carl Peterson made his best player decisions when Marty was coach. During the Gunther and Vermeil years, our team got bad due to poor drafting and free agency. Then Herm was hired and drafting improved. Meanwhile, AJ Smith looked like a brilliant GM while Marty was his coach. Marty was canned for Norf. Next thing you know, AJ Smith sucks and gets fired for it. Dorsey will land somewhere soon. So we will soon see if it was Reid or Dorsey when they are running separate teams.

Yea I'm pretty confident about that

Hmmm.

Dorsey fired a bunch of front office guys and scouts.

Maybe he fired them/didn't renew their contracts because he already had something in the works...

Spin it bossman!

LOL

1st kc passes on Vet FA's,

Then moving up in the draft to reach on a QBOTF

Then dumping cap space.

Now they dump their GM

Sure sounds like a team in a full on rebuild to me.

I guess no one was happy with one WC win in over 20 years.

I'm all for waiting to see who the new man will be, but that anyone would be in this thread singing the praises of Clark and Reid at this point pretty much tells me that some folks use blatant stupidity as a coping mechanism.

Wonder if Clark wasn't happy about the Jc and or maclin ordeals?

Reid shouldn't have been making that decision and Clark has said it isn't the case. But even so you don't fire or ask to push a guy out over how he handles the Maclin situation.

Most importantly, whether Reid or more likely Clark, you don't let Ballard go because you are semi-content with a GM. It's too big a decision to say "eh I'm semi-content". I'm just not accepting Dorsey as Reid's bitch. Both of their histories and how this team has been built says that isn't what happened.

That remains to be seen. If we asked that question in CP's first 3 years we wouldn't have an answer either. There are guys on this roster that could potentially be but that's a long way and jump from here. Dorsey has definitely drafted Jared Allen level players IMO. The other three are monsters but Carl also had 20 years. You could argue Houston if it wasn't for his injuries. Who knows what Kelce, Peters ect turn into. I'm not saying they will be, but it's crazy early for anyone he drafted.

Cole said it was before the Maclin deal

It very well could be a combo of things, those very much included. I mean, you took 2 fan favorites, well 1 fan favorite and 1 fan-hero in JC and just told them to **** off. You dump what should be your #1 RB and #1 WR without so much as even an attempt at a contract negotiation and that is enough to get your ass on the radar.

Probably by hiring a new/outside GM every few years to keep things fresh.

So the Maclin deal could have played a significant part if they were already at odds.

Andy was more pissed off during the Maclin release than we've ever seen him. He was snapping at reporters and he never does that. You could tell he was on edge and I bet some other players were expressing some bad feelings too.

I think some bad contracts, most notably Bowe, Grubbs and Tamba were building up to this move, but cutting Maclin was the final straw.

Andy and Clark most likely thought that they have most of their scouts here along with Veach, Borgonzi and the 2 new strong personnel men that Dorsey has hired recently.

This seems like a perfect transition to a guy like Veach who has a great relationship with Andy and 4 years experience learning Dorsey's scouting techniques.

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Makes sense to me more than the Green Bay thing.

Dunno if it's a good thing though

Give it a couple years and revisit this.

I am going to quote what someone I know put on facebook that basically verifies what I have heard from several friends that are Red Coaters, one of which has a family member that works in the FO.