One positive I will draw out of this--Maclin won't be there anymore for Alex to force feed in the red zone. Last year, if Maclin ran that slice route from the slot in the red zone, you could be sure the ball was going to Maclin. It was successful in 2015 well, but defenses took notice in 2016 as it didn't work at all.

Ross Travis spent much of the offseason in Los Angeles working with Tony Gonzalez. Hopefully, we'll see a difference on the field. He certainly has all of the physical attributes to play at a high level at the position. Escobar is my under the radar sleeper signing and I hope he takes this opportunity to shine.

They kept 4 tight ends last season, which to me, was a reflection of not having much at the position as opposed to a solid #2 and #3. If two tight ends can separate themselves behind Keclce, it would go a long way in providing depth at a more crucial position.

Hopefully, Harris goes bye-bye.

Very good point. Harris has potential but his drops are constant and usually drive ending. He frustrates me to no end. He'll also start out the season suspended I imagine.

You would think Escobar, Travis, or Orson Charles would step up and be that guy. My money would be on Escobar to provide a passing threat as TE2, and step up his physicality just enough in the running game to provide adequate blocking.

If there is a promising TE#2 of those choices then I'm sure it made this decision easier. Those 2 and 3 tight end sets are nasty. Huge for the running game too.

Agree. I sure hope so.

Escobar was a 2nd round pick not too many years ago, makes me wonder if Dorsey found a gem in a guy who was buried in the depth chart playing behind Witten. That would be a nice surprise. He has the potential to be a red zone guy like Harris showed glimpses of for us last season down the stretch. In 2014 Escobar had an amazing 4 touchdowns on just 13 entire targets that season. Wow. He has only 48 targets in his career but has 8 touchdowns to go with them.

I think Wilson ****ing sucks and hope that he's beaten out for a roster spot by anyone.

Mr. Alligator Arms can go away.

I think Demarcus Robinson looking good is a foreshadowing to a potential Wilson cut, which would be awesome.

But then again, that's only 5 receivers. I think Wilson will win the 6th spot over the UDRFA's.

Wilson plays hard and with intensity, the arms are definitely a liability. But he's had some solid touchdowns for us the last couple years and Reid seems to like him.

Terez has mentioned that Seantavius Jones has been catching everything. He's been in the system for a year and heads into his second training camp with a better chance to make the roster.

It's going to be an interesting preseason since there's no cut to 75. I expect the wide receiver competition to go down to the wire for the final spot.

One 'surprise' cut that I am expecting... Phillip Gaines. If that's even a surprise at this point.

I think the CBs might be: Peters, Nelson, Mitchell, White, Lampkin, and maybe Bausby or McQuay (if they count him as a nickel CB).

No reason to keep Gaines at this point. He's broke.

If he plays well in preseason (and I acknowledge that's a big "If" considering his injury history), some team will give up a 5th for him in next year's draft.

Dorsey got a 5th for Kelcie McCray, FFS.

If Gaines is healthy and the Chiefs are happy with their depth, Gaines is expendable and tradeable.

Plus, we don't know if Kelce is going to be 100% ready to go with his surgery for preseason. I assume he will and it's not a big deal, but it's not a bad idea to keep some able bodies at the position on hand.

LeSean McCoy says he has been "recruiting" free agent Jeremy Maclin to sign with the Bills.

The fit makes sense for a Bills team that can't count on Sammy Watkins' health and is dealing with a knee injury to second-round pick Zay Jones. Maclin obviously has history with McCoy from Philadelphia, where Bills coach Sean McDermott's time as a defensive coordinator and secondary coach also overlapped. Buffalo would be a poor spot for Maclin's fantasy outlook, however.

Better there than in Oakland, I suppose.

He'd make a nice Bill. If he goes for 700 yards up there they may put a statue in front of the stadium.

You act like he was 100% healthy and played in all 16 games last year.

kc fans love to look at stats to tell the whole story and end up missing the big picture.

Maclin was playing with nagging injuries last year but there was no indication that he hasn't rehabbed and would be 100% for this coming year. He could have returned to or near his old form if healthy. You won't know now. The fact that no one wanted to trade for him speaks more to his contract than his performance.

Dumping your #1 WR in June, after the Draft and FA period is a big sign that the goal is not Win Now at all costs. Couple that with moving up to draft a replacement QB in the draft and NO FA Vet signings indicate that they are looking to the future, not the present.

As someone else said they could have been forced into this if they think Mahommes isn't going to be ready to start for 2-3 years and they may need to keep alex around longer than when they moved up all that way to grab his replacement.

That or they are in cap hell and with only a WC win in the Andy Reid years they now know it isn't just a matter of waiting out Manning to retire but that Reid's basketball LOS O is not going to win playoff games with the talent on the roster.

It cracks me up how this place thinks that they can replace a Vet 1st string WR with a warm body. Sure maybe an average WR could replace those 500 yards but an average WR is not going to take over games or be a big factor in the playoffs, a place where against Divisional level talent your team has struggled for over 20 years.

I am with you guys though, I am glad Maclin is gone, means less talent for the No Fly Zone to cover. I know most of this place doesn't understand the importance of Quality Depth either.

It's a hard fall, Dickscrammedinhim. Prepare yourself. LMAO

One injury and we're starting Albert ****ing Wilson.

I'm just glad my expectations have been lowered for months.

The Chiefs just went 12-4 with Albert Wilson starting a lot of games for Maclin. They also won 11 games the year before with him starting alongside Maclin.

And the offense was ****ing garbage.

Fall? I am still celebrating SB50! Got a new shipment of gear a week or 2 ago. It is not like the Broncos have only won a WC game over the last 20+ years. Is it over 25 years now? I lost count.

The Broncos ended up struggling last year more due to injuries and a terrible OL than the loss of Manning. John has managed the cap well and his drafts are better than most think.

Love having McCoy back, he won't call 7 step drops over and over while the tackles continue to struggle, the ball will be coming out quicker and they will be attacking weaknesses instead of running into strengths.

What did they do in the playoffs when it counts?

And it still would have been garbage with Maclin..

New Head Coach - Check

Lost Best D-Coordinator in the league - Check

Probably the worst drafting in the league - Check


The writing is on the wall.

This statement isn't even true, by the way.

The only games Wilson started that Maclin missed were the Panthers, Bucs and Falcons games.

Wilson's numbers and the Chiefs average offensive points in those games:

12 catches, 92 yards
14.3 PPG

Great ****ing aspirations there! START ALBERT WILSON YESTERDAY!

Chiefs have beaten your team 3 straight. No one is scared of Denver anymore.

With Alex Smith.

That's pretty pathetic.

The offense is garbage with or without him, yes.

The point is a garbage offense with now even less depth is most likely not going to be good for our team.

Get ready for a shit year because turnovers and kick returns aren't going to save us five times again.

You say this every year and are wrong every year. 9 wins is the floor due to coaching. This team is much better than the 2014 team.

Isn't that the year we faced like 10 backup QBs due to injuries to their starters?

LeSean McCoy recruits Jeremy Maclin to Buffalo
Posted by Mike Florio on June 4, 2017, 3:26 PM EDT


It’s unclear whether Bills G.M. Brandon Beane or coach Sean McDermott want receiver Jeremy Maclin in Buffalo. Bills running back LeSean McCoy definitely does.

Speaking at his charity softball event on Sunday, McCoy said he has been recruiting his former Eagles teammate. Via Mike Rodak of ESPN.com, McCoy added, “Don’t be surprised if it happens.”

McCoy added that he has no inside information, but he said he has been speaking with Maclin.

The Chiefs abruptly cut Maclin on Friday evening, creating $10 million in cap space. The move made Maclin an immediate free agent.

Maclin has extensive experience in the West Coast-style passing offense, spending most of his career in Andy Reid’s version of it. Rick Dennison is incorporating the Mike Shanahan/Gary Kubiak West Coast offense at Buffalo.

Either you're back to trolling or you're just dumb as a ****ing rock.

Jeremy Maclin isn't the difference between 12-4 and 7-9.

Good ****ing god.

Still 4 short of the streak of 7 in a row.

If Smith is smart he will pull a hammy preseason week 3. Save his body from abuse this year so he can sign a two year deal somewhere else next year and bank another 15 mil.

Finally someone who understands the concept of depth.

REP

You think that Chiefs fans don't understand depth? :facepalm:

Do you even realize all of the games we've won without key starters, specifically in the past two years?

Everyone is aware that the Maclin move hurts our WR depth. At the same time, the motives are understood.

You're a ****ing moron.

Last year, the Chiefs had 39 games lost to the starting linebacking corp (including All Pro Justin Houston) and 34 games to their defensive line.

They still won 12 games and the AFC West title.

Maclin sucked ass last year and the Chiefs still won 12 games. They have young receivers on the roster that will most certainly make up for his 530 yard absence in 2017.

Agreeing with Clayus.

LMAO

I would LOVE to see what would happen to Denver's defense without Miller for all of the games we didn't have Houston. Especially now that Wade Phillips is gone.

Phillips is the key.


It won't happen immediately, but the Denver defense will erode. Since their offense kind of sucks, it's going to get ugly.

It's funny you say this; we were just discussing it as a possibility.

You saw it in SB48, Von and 5 other starters on D were on IR that year plus a ton of depth guys.

Jordan Schultz of the Huffington Post reports the Bills are in preliminary talks with free agent Jeremy Maclin.
It's not a great fantasy destination, but it does make a lot of sense from a reality standpoint. Jason Fitzgerald of Overthecap.com recently estimated Maclin would command $5 million annually. The Bills are dealing with injuries to top receivers Sammy Watkins (foot) and Zay Jones (knee).

Yeah you gave up 43 points so you don't know how depth works ROFL

Joe Woods is the next up and coming star coach. Kinda like Gase and McCoy were.

Lets keep the thread on topic though, this thread is about the SURPRISE Maclin cut. Not the SB50 Champs!

Maclin might be worth 5/year.

Exactly, because they lost all those starters and depth guys. Now maybe you will understand why losing Maclin will hurt in the long run.

That proved my point, you don't understand deep thinking.

Yeah it's not worth explaining how the Chiefs used depth to overcome a ton of injuries bc you're too stupid to see facts no matter what.

Enjoy your Super Bowl from yesteryear. I'm sure you can bring it up to make yourself feel better when KC continues their streak of beating you this season.

I would have guessed closer to $4 million but it'll probably be a 3 year deal with $8-10 guaranteed so they can cut him after year two with little to no cap hit.

No, you are proving our point. Because unlike Denver, our defense didn't crumble when our best players got hurt. Therefore we had depth.

Maclin's impact last year was far less than many of the other guys who we have won games without.

Good grief, you're ****ing stupid.

How many 100 yard receiving games did Maclin have last year? I know the answer:

Zero. Zip. Nada.

His highest output was 78 yards, in a blowout loss to Pittsburgh in Week 3.

The rest of his season was pitiful. 63, 68 (L), 35, 49, 40, 43, 0, 16, 82 (L), 9, 53.

Yeah, it's really going to be difficult to replace all of those "lost yards", especially the 9, 16, 35, 40 and 0 games.

LMAO

Bozo.

Wow check out these Tyreek Hill stats from Ian Kenyon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/IanKenyon...99147781447680

Only 11.7% of his routes were bubble screens, above average success on 7/9 routes from the route tree and an 80% contested catch rate.

Andy's got his new DeSean Jackson and he's running with him. Kid is gonna be a huge weapon this season.

Hell of a listen here from a 610 podcast about this move and the dynamics of it. Chiefs fans have to give it a listen.

06/04 The Show Hr1 - Maclin, Andy,&7-Eleven
http://www.610sports.com/sites/g/fil...1%206-4-17.mp3

Talks about the fact that this move, and pretty much every move the franchise makes going forward revolves around Mahomes. Every move is about what's best for Mahomes and his development. A lot of good stuff in it and a nice overall perspective.

which is why Alex sounds like a salty little baby over this. lol

Its a wasted season if Mahomes doesn't get some snaps.

I think he's spot on

How is it a wasted season? Do people really think Maclin was the difference between having a winning season and a losing season?

Mahomes shouldn't get snaps unless the game is an absolute blowout. Otherwise he should be the 3rd QB for the whole season.
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Of course Alex doesn't like it. I'm sure no one likes it on the team. Even though they'll still win without him, Maclin isn't a guy you wanted to see cut.
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LINK - http://besreport.com/three-step-drop...pernick-mixon/

My thoughts on Maclin's release among a couple other headlines from last week

this game is a bad example as it was in week 1. you better look good in week 1 for crying out loud. it bears no weight on the outcome of the playoff loss aside from showing how those two players regressed as the season went on. :D

I strongly disagree

Patience, DonkRectum. There are only so many match ups per season! We'll get you to your dumpster soon enough.

LMAO

Attn mods please change Kranz's name to DonkRectum

It was a wasted season with or without Mahomes.

The whole five years have been wasted, other than fattening that Hunt wallet.

A march toward nothing.

You're wrong

How do you figure? What is your definition of a wasted season?

You're a complete and utter moron.

What a blind, narrow minded opinion!
The SB is the ultimate goal and prize, but the NFL is an entertainment business. The team is and has been entertaining.

Yeah the 1995 Chiefs were super entertaining when I was 14.

Cloning them isn't entertaining at 35.

Hill is very entertaining, our D is very entertaining, therefore the team is very entertaining.

Every team in the NFL is entertaining! Many players from major universities! Come and see their athletic talent! ROFL

Drafting a QB in the top 10 and not Having that QB start at least half the season while sitting behind a declining, average veteran QB, would be a wasted season for me.

Well it's time to take that next step. Otherwise it's more of the same.

18 we take that step. 17 is nothing more than a stepping stone...

The Chiefs finally drafted a first rd QB and you keep trolling. I guess that's not enough for you.

Then don't bother watching because Mahomes won't see the field.

Why is it impossible for so many people to be patient?

Number of days that you haven't been a butt****ing moron or troll?

Zero.

Mr. 200,000 pathetic posts.

Why the **** do you people always quote and try to argue with Clay? This forum is dumb as hell when it comes to trolls.
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I don't know

So if we hadn't have drafted Mahomes it wouldn't be a wasted season or we shouldn't have drafted a QB at 10 that needs a year or two to set and learn/correct his flaws?

After more seasons of shitty football, shitty coaching, and shitty management than I can count, I have absolutely NO problem with Mahomes taking a redshirt year while Dorsey and Andy continue setting the stage.

If anything, the wasted seasons are in the rear view mirror, especially this last season. I wish that the Chiefs had taken a QB 2 or 3 years ago, but these things take time and we probably wouldn't be in the position of strength that we find ourselves in as it relates to the development of a franchise QB, and of the acquisition of the pieces we will need to make him successful.