Those were some legit pops.

I can't wait for D Lo Brown v Jeff Jarrett next week on Raw!

I hope so too, but those three Diva's can actually wrestle (kind of a DUH with Charlotte...lol)

They are easily the 3 best female wrestlers on the main roster. Immediately. But it wasn't just their ability that makes their work on NXT so good, it's that they got actual stories with satisfying character moments on NXT too. The creative team has to not reduce those three to the usual "every diva is either crazy or jealous" shit that has plagued the diva's division for years.

Battleground was terrible again and I think I've had enough Undertaker for a lifetime.

Dude can barely move.

I haven't been watching since last year. I just read on FB that he was wrestling tonight. I don't understand how. He looked terrible in his Wretlemania match with Brock last year. He's done.

He looked terrible because he got a concussion early in the match. He'll be fine enough at SummerSlam in a match that will draw heavy money no matter the quality.

I'm just pissed at how they ruined Kevin Owens. He's in Bray/Rusev territory now.

I did hear about the concussion, and I'm sure it affected him. How did he look tonight?

Undertaker looked real sluggish at WM this year also.

This PPV wasn't 9.99 worthy really.

How they handled Bray is really what sent me packing. When I was watching prior to the start of Mania last year, that dude was riding a tidal wave of hype. And then the creative team just kinda turned him into a wet fart.

How did Taker look? He needed to shave his back hair, but he was fine. He didn't have to do much; it wasn't a match. Taker attempted to chokeslam Brock, Brock reversed it into an F-5 attempt, Taker broke free & kicked Brock in the nuts. Then Taker chokeslamed Brock. Then Taker tombstoned Brock. Then Taker tombstoned Brock a 2nd time. That's it.

Oh. My bad. I thought it was a match. I guess I shouldn't run my mouth if I'm not watching.

It was pretty alright in a vacuum. Take away the implications of Kevin Owens losing a 3rd big match in a row after debuting so hot and this show was solid.

He looked rough physically compared to 5 years a go but I hope hes at Sprint tomorrow night. Still love the intro.

Yeah, all Taker did was interfere at the end of the Brock/Rollins match. Lesnar was somewhat protected because 1.) he had been wrestling for 15 minutes already, and 2.) he got kicked in the balls before taking any signature moves from Undertaker.

Taker has plenty of motivation for revenge here: the WM loss obviously but also Brock shattered his little brother's ankle on Raw last week. The nut kick suggests to me that Taker will be playing the heel in this program, but the crowd was not treating him like a heel at all; they were giddy about his return.

He's scheduled to appear tomorrow.

Since my son got into wrestling the past year, I've taken a huge interest in it.

I hated the PPV. I hated the Undertaker ending. I hated that Owens is going to get buried now.

The UT/Brock angle needed to happen months after WM 2014. Not have him come back a year later. UT looked like a middle school janitor.

Now who does Rollins fight? Won't be Triple H in a title match. Kane? Blah.

Sting/Undertaker needed to happen this SummerSlam, not at next Mania.

Feuding with Cena is pretty much a death knell for an up and coming talent. They don't come out looking better for it.

Barrett
Wyatt
Rusev
and now Owens.

I can't see any way the crowd would ever treat him as a heel in this situation. They seemed to absolutely love him when I watched last year. The reactions to the ended streak were unbelievable.

Yeah and he was playing up to the ground with the arm raise with his back to the ring as he left.

Wyatt is the only one their with a future as a main eventer IMO.

The thing about how they've built Brock is this: he seems like he should be champion at all times, so you have to come up with ways to keep the belt off of him, so that the idea of champion Brock doesn't get stale. This is a good enough reason to keep the belt of of him for another couple of months.

Brock wasn't hurt at all by winning on DQ and eating a couple of finishers from an interfering MEGA-LEGEND.

Where do you see who is scheduled?

You have to know insiders ^_^

YEAH BUT JOHN CENA LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Go **** yourselves WWE.

Barrett was white hot as a heel going into the Cena feud. He actually had a vast majority of the crowd chanting for Cena.

Then Cena single handily destroyed the group that ran roughshed over the whole upper card and buried, literally, Barrett.

Owens is good, real good. He is a monster heel that can talk.

All of this.

Undertaker looks like a tired old man. Having him interfere with the main event was garbage


Owens better win the ****ing title at SS or I'm done with the WWE. I'm sure it will be a triple threat match with Cesaro thrown in so Cena doesn't have to be pinned - but I don't give a shit at this point. I'm sick and tired of Cena burying people.

The difference between Owens and Rusev or Wyatt is that he can hold his own and won't be forced into a stale character.

Wyatt was ****ed over by the creative team. His little 3 minute babbling baffoon rants are a huge waste of time and nobody gives a shit anymore. His character got old because his rambling during promos flat out SUCKS. Nobody even knows what the **** he's saying.

Rusev is actually a decent wrestler, although they eased him into it. Be he also will never be a big guy on the mic. No mic skills will keep him a mid tier guy regardless of anything Cena was involved in.

Barrett was never going to be a main event guy imo either. Also he can talk, but he lacks in areas that keep him from being a top guy. Barrett will forever be in the "intercontinental title" group along with Rusev.

Owens comes off like an arrogant dickhead. And that's good. He comes off as the new kid who thinks he's the man and already knows everything. But has in ring ability, and ability to cut an arrogant promo will keep him towards the top. People will always either love him or hate him. Guys like that stay towards the top. It's the ones that nobody cares about who will fall back to mid card matches.

In general, I agree about Owens. But I ask this in all sincerity: how the **** do you earnestly get heat back on him after tonight?

He's a heel, but people like him. I don't know how much heat was on him in the first place aside from typical Cena homer. The mistake to me was that he lost via submission. It makes him look weaker than via pinfall. I can't tell where the direction is going with that feud but my guess is Owens will have to come out with something bold starting tomorrow if they're going for round 4.

It was a great show until taker showed up. Stupid end to a great show.

Exactly! The tap-out is the whole problem. If he uses ALL his strength to kick out of the 2nd rope AA and then gets pinned after one more regular AA? Fine. That's a loss that doesn't kill him. Makes him look tough, actually. If he uses ALL his strength to kick out of the 2nd rope AA and then gets locked in the STF and passes out, forcing a ref stoppage? Fine. Doesn't kill him & makes him look tough, actually.

But going through what he did and CHOOSING to tap out? Awful. Kills him. Owens had a special vibe around him & now he feels like any other mid-card WWE heel.

Oh well. I'm looking forward to NJPW's G1 Climax starting tomorrow morning, because I love pro wrestling that's booked with a modicum of intelligence.

WWE isn't ready to make Cena look just like a beatable guy either. Nor will they. Once they do that, and Cena begins losing to fresh guys it will kill him in the eyes of the business. He's still their superman. WWE's just letting talented guys like Reigns and Rollins have some spotlight.

But Owens still has a bit of the "it" factor that those guys previously mentioned never had. Wyatt was close, but that door is shut for now. This was still Owens' first moments in WWE after stepping up from the perceived triple-A of wrestling (NXT). And he's shown himself to be a contender if by nothing else than the fact that he can put on a show. I think fans respect him for that alone, and ultimately he'll end up being a face after a while despite the bad attitude.

Vince is in desperation mode...kinda funny to watch.

Any juice Rollins had as champ was obliterated last night, Taker coming in and taking Brock out like that was quite honestly silly....the guy has been running through everyone left and right, can't be stopped, but suddenly a guy he beat last year shows up and he's totally afraid and then is promptly drilled into the mat.

Everyone else looks like a complete joke now...Taker couldn't even move FFS...and what now, they turning Brock back heel? Ok.

Cena going over Owens didn't exactly make sense either and him tapping out was stupid...don't know what you do with Owens now and I can easily see Cena going back into the WHT picture, Rollins doesn't really have a program now for Summerslam.

It's pretty clear they have no clear direction and just make rash, from the hip decisions in hopes of spiking ratings.

Dunn... That poor kid. He bogeyed one when he came up short of the bern on with his wedge, resulting in the bogey.

On two he sliced terribly right, hit a provisional terribly right, then hit a second provisional a little less right. Poor dude.

Sorry lads, wrong thread...

Roman Reigns still has time on his side to learn the business, IMO. He's trying hard.

What juice? His entire title run had been about opportunity, from Kane handing him money in the bank, to the authority always making the save. The only think that made sense was that someone would save Rollins. My guess was maybe Samoa Joe. The taker makes some sense because Brock just attacked Kane, but then again taker saving Rollins makes no sense.

That is true...his title run has been completely lackluster.

Thought the taker interference was odd. Seems to me (apart from the major draw brock vs taker will be) that it was forced because they cant have brock win the belt again and needed an out. I think its going to be interesting to see where rollins goes from here. I imagine that itll be ambrose vs rollins at summerslam with dean going over.

Wyatt and harper vs reigns and sting could be interesting.

Owens losing like that was confusing. For a second there, I thought they would have him pass out so he could argue he never lost and should get a rematch at summerslam. I honestly love the cena us open challenges, but I think its crucial that owens goes over cena at summerslam now. Not sure how they continue that fued though now. Tapping out was really the worst possible finish for owens.

I don't know how it sounded on the network, but Owens had the biggest pop last night (Ok, minus Taker). And tons and tons of t-shirts. Tons. I, too, think the way the match ended was terrible booking but I'm not concerned about Owens losing momentum at all.

That's where I'm at. I could see Rollins Owens and not even be mad.

is Raw in KC tonight?

yes! raw is kc!

Owens going to lose to Cena and co again tonight?

Where can I watch this?

Well, I pay $8.60 a month for NJPW World, the promotion's streaming service. But you can find Dailymotion links to all the stuff within a day or two of airing.

Today's matches aren't on the pirated streaming sites yet, but if you want a taste of NJPW, here's the final of LAST year's G1 Climax tournament, between 2 of the 5 best wrestlers in the world: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23...als-2014_sport

Thanks bud. I'll give it a watch. If it's good, I'll happily pay for it. WWE has been so bad for so long I'd just given up that there was a decent product out there. I've been hearing that NJPW is the best in the world right now.

It is, another promotion checking out is Lucha Underground

Thanks Bro. I'll check it out.

Lucha Underground is the single best weekly tv series of pro wrestling that has ever existed. It shows ALL its work as far as character motivations go, and it doesn't have monthly PPV shows, so the stories take exactly as long as they need to go (instead of treading water for three weeks, WWE-style). It's amazing stuff, and it actually pulls off introducing supernatural elements (like, one of the wrestlers is a literal dragon & one of the biggest subplots involves the evil promoter having a monster for a brother who he keeps locked in a cage) without straining credibility.

This site has links to all Lucha Underground episodes, as well as all of NJPW's big shows (and ROH stuff too): http://watchwrestling.ch/

Bullet Club in NJPW is the best thing going in wrestling right now.

Man did that shit ****-up downtown traffic this afternoon. Parking Garage backed-up to the 5th floor, gridlock all around 1201 Walnut, and OF COURSE no help from KCPD getting the traffic moving...

The new apartment building has already had 13th/Walnut jacked up for over a year, then this.

**** THE SPRINT CENTER, Standard Parking, and KCPD - all of them sucked today!!

I think the stable is tired at this point. AJ Styles is arguably a top 5 wrestler on Earth right now, Kenny Omega is fun, and the Young Bucks are what they are (I'm not personally a fan of the Bucks, but thousands of smarks are), but I can't get excited about seeing any of the rest of them anymore.

Kansas City needs a baseball stadium downtown though!/ KK

We need a downtown ballpark.

Also, Ring of Honor is now on Destination America on Wednesday nights and always puts on a solid hour of tv. They almost always follow a strict formula. First match is normally pretty good and around 10 minutes. The second segment normally has interviews and a bit of a squash match and then the main event almost always goes 25-30 minutes. The timing of going to Destination America was great because it was right in the middle of the shows featuring the NJPW talent. One main event a couple weeks ago was the Bullet Club (AJ Styles and Young Bucks) vs. Okada and Roppongi Vice (Rocky Romero and Trent Baretta). That was an amazing match and considering the opening match was Roderick Strong vs. Shinsuke Nakamura, that's a damn fine hour of tv wrestling.

There are also a ton of archived matches and even if you just go from Wrestle Kingdom in January of this year, you have hours upon hours of great stuff just from 2015 alone.

Awesome show to be at last night. The brawl was awesome. I think its time to end Rollins title reign. Just a boring character. Ambrose probably 2nd loudest pop after Taker. I think he is a supserstar in the making.

Taker is giving off a heelish vibe...I honestly wish they would've just went with him being heel last night and being Rollins' "ultimate solution" or what have you may and side with The Authority.

His pop in that crowd makes sense. I mean, everyone in the KC metro area went to high school with like 18 Dean Ambroses. Dean Ambrose is like every fourth dude in the crowd at Rockfest.

No! The person who should be champion is CESARO!! Dude is a beast and a freak of nature he introduces a new move every match. He is strongest person in WWE pound for pound.

I like him. He just doesnt have the charisma IMO. Thats where Rollins is having problems.. just not an entertaining character. In ring work only gets you so far

He will never be a good promo guy but he has charisma. Give him a mouthpiece that can actually do promos and he can be main event.

They should of kept Heyman with him, and not jobbed him out, and have Cesaro get increasingly annoyed at Heyman continually putting Brock over him and set up that feud.

Cesaro is one of the few people where you wouldn't have to suspend your disbelief too much for him going over Brock.

Yeah. I can see him in the Brock role but to ME he needs to be a heal.

If you wanna see live Wrestling Cesaro has the most in ring talent out of anyone. Vince says he doesn't have the "IT" factor. Um Vince your out of touch. I would love to see Cesaro vs Brock!

Vince is right.

Rollins mic skills have vastly improved ever since he was with ROH. He has come a long way. I like him as champion but I think it's someone else's turn. And if we're getting Cena vs Rollins at SS I will stop watching. Vince continues to shove him down our throats. He needs to turn heel and go back to his Dr Thuganomics gimmick. Supercena needs to stop

So Cesaro doesn't have the it factor? So I'm guessing everyone who gives loads pops to him and are screaming this is awesome every time Cesaro does something incredible doesn't have the IT factor? I understand he doesn't speak on the mic but he is the best in ring performer in WWE

Im not excited about that one at all either. Maybe 1 last attempt to push Rollins. They should have save Ambrose Rollins for a SS feud with Dean carrying the strap until WM.

No, he doesn't. He isnt a star and likely will never be. Hes not CM Punk if thats what you think he is. He gets a modest intro pop at beat.

You mean Ambrose might have fewer moves than Cena. Ambrose yes I like him but he needs to add to his arsenal just like Cena has lately. Reigns on the other hand is so boring to watch. Idk what Vince saw in him

No one will ever be CM Punk. He was at the top of the buiness for several years and no one could reach him. He was the greatest thing to happen since the attitude era. Never said Cesaro would be like him let alone any wrestler

Just saying. I went with 7 son year old son and 6 year old nephew. They gave 0 shits about Ceasaro. Its all about appealing to everyone and selling shit, not just the smart fans.

Your son and your nephew are literal children. They legitimately don't know shit about anything, because how could they.

They know what/who they like and in turn I buy stuff related to what they like. Thats how that business works these days. Cesaro has a nice skill set but to them the luchadors are much more entertaining to watch from that aspect.

EC3 is the best current wrestler and its not even close. Hes in the worst promotion but the guys a star. Has the charisma and the look, WWE dropped the ball with him he could have carried them for years. His promo when he won the TNA belt taking shots at Bill Demott and Triple H calling himself the new game was great. Hes the best thing going since Punk.

A lot of that is just costuming (kids like bright colors) and prominent placement in stories. Cena benefits from both. Cesaro gets to have neither (though he's got Cena's endorsement backstage, so his star seems to be on the rise).