you think making fun of knuckles is an insult?

I earned that shit. that's respect. Something you will never know.
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Not that I disagree with your underlying point, but your analogy is bad.

RT is not first base. Maybe RG is, but RT is not. It's not as difficult as LT but requires similar skills, just less overall athleticism. If LT is SS, then RT is 3b.

Welllllll.....you may recall a pretty damn expensive acquisition with a hell of a pedigree moving into New York that just so happened to play the same position as a well established SS. He slid right on over to 3b to accommodate the incumbent at the harder position.

The problem with moving Fisher over to LT right now is that there's a pretty good chance he would get Alex Smith killed. All that kept Smith intact as guys were blasting past Fisher was the fact that he was fortunate enough to see them coming and athletic enough to get the hell out of the way.

No, moving Fisher to LT right now is not a good idea.

What ever you say boss.

Just like I don't know you, you sure as hell don't know me, or what I have done to earn respect. You have your way, and if to you that means being great with your fists, then props to you.

You are right. No one respects me, no one likes me, everyone hates me.

I get it.

Oh I know exactly the guy you are.

All your shit was posted here remember?
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Who did you want?

Lol, the only current shit that was posted, was about me being subpoenaed for child support for a kid that I didn't even know about. All of that other shit, was 10 years old.

You don't know shit about me.

Its cute that you pretend you do.

Dion Jordan

Hes a beast. A skinny beast like mingo, but quick as hell.

This team has been toward the bottom in sacks for years and the offense has been Bowe and Charles for 3 or 4 seasons now. The team needed more playmakers he didn't really add any.

You can stalk up on corners all you want but the correct way to beat an elite QB like Manning is to get after him.

I agree. That's why the browns drafted Mingo, they signed Groves, and Kruger.

I completely agree. Now, as to who the best pass rusher was. Me, I think it was Jarvis Jones.

They clearly were building around Alex Smiths game with their picks and signings.

Alex doesnt throw to receivers (past the first option, anyway) and they added a couple good tight ends and a back that might just end up being "special"...I saw flashes of real potential from Davis in camp. Larry Johnson type potential.

I disagree with the philosophy, but these guys will make plays because they operate within Alex Smiths comfort zone.

Scheme alone is going to help a ton with that. I don't think this defense is elite by any means, but we're going to put a whole lot more pressure.

I like to be an optimist. I'm not crazy about the Alex Smith pickup. The optimist view is that if Fisher turns out to be the pick he's projected to be (and I think we need to be patient), we have a solid enough team to possibly be on the bubble of a playoff win or two behind Alex Smith. But if the Chiefs keep swinging for a franchise QB the next 2-3 years and find one, this is a supporting cast good enough to be a legit deep playoff team.

Avery has playmaking potential. Kelce I think has playmaking potential. In fact, the tight end position in general has been upgraded, across the board. Knile Davis also has gamebreaking speed but needs to continue to work on several areas of his game. They did a lot more than just draft Fisher on offense, in any event.

3-13

Guess what asshole, I am not ignoring it and secondly I didn't say you had to trust him, I said I was going to trust him.

Philly has had some bad olines and they have had some good ones, obviously they didn't use the draft to fill most of the positions since most of those guys listed didn't play much over the 14 years or so.

If you are telling me every oline the Eagles have had sucked then you are full of shit.

Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

I think people underestimate the moves at tight end and at fullback. May seem like small potatoes, but in Reid's offense, those small moves will pay huge dividends. And it's not just because Alex Smith is a checkdown guy. The variation of the packages we can now run because we have 3 TEs, all of whom can block and catch, and FBs who can catch... terrific stuff. If we're going the "49er way," they do some really crazy packages. One that's always interested me is the diamond package where you have 2 FBs and a RB.

I think that's a good analogy. A Guard feels like First Base, because it's just not the kind of skill position Tackle is. While I'm not crazy about taking a Tackle early, I'm glad we didn't do what the Cards and Titans did and take a Guard in the top 10. The other reason you can't call Right Tackle 1st base is, it's becoming an almost critical position. There's a great PFF article about its growing importance, and I think it's really telling when 4 offensive minded coaches (Reid, Arians, McCoy, Chip Kelly) all went after a Right Tackle.

I don't agree about Fisher at LT. Fisher would do just fine. His athleticism is fine. I'm not sure why people are questioning it. The reason he's getting beat is because he's not using his arms and hands to punch the guy off the rush, it's not because he's too slow to handle the speed. If anything, he still has to get stronger to play the Right Tackle position. Only reason I wouldn't move Fisher to Left Tackle is that I see no reason to move Albert to the Right right now.

Actually I am in a great mood. :D

Most seem to agree that Albert will be gone in the offseason. So what's the problem with drafting a quality OT in a draft lacking in true #1 value... playing him at a needed RT spot in year 1.. then letting him focus back on LT in the next offseason? Sure the OT transition isn't easy.. which is why they drafted a high character prospect that they feel will put in the work and improve as he develops. They clearly had scheme or talent doubts about their former RT to let him walk.

Biggest issue is, you have a LT prospect making a temporary RT transition, and he's doing it while battling through injuries. Add to that, KC naturally has lots of work to do still on getting all the OL,TE, and backs on the same page for exotic blitz pickups.

... but some are apparently freaking out and overreacting after a decent but underwhelming preseason game 1.. and a pretty awful preseason game 2 that featured uncharacteristic blitzes thrown at them. :shake:

Well that would have been terrible.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...rdans-shoulder

You want to draft a skinny pass rusher to be a backup to Tamba and Houston at 1.1, when the guy is injured before day one of NFL play?

Sapho-

And my browns don't know when they will get Mingo back now that he has been spitting up blood. So that's two of the top 6 picks...Yikes.

Make no mistake - someone from this draft is going to end up being a guy like Clay Matthews - you look back and say "why the hell didn't we take THAT guy first overall?"

But those guys all had question marks coming out. It's just that some of those question marks get answers, and the answers are pro bowls.

Stephon Gilmore is looking like he could be one of those dudes.

Oh, I can already tell you who that guy is going to be. I begged and pleaded for the Browns to take him, and yet again they let another stud end up with another divisional team. Just to let you know what I mean. We switched spots with the Ravens to let them have Haloti Ngata, and we took Kam Wimbley, we drafted Kam, but didn't draft Lawrence Timmons.

This year, we took Mingo, and let the Steelers get JARVIS JONES.

he is going to be the premiere pass rusher from this draft class.

mods -- please move thread to florida -- thx

None of the concepts used were particularly "exotic" or uncharacteristic. Personnel variations or specialized "rush" fronts weren't even used.

Jarvis jones has a condition called spinal stenosis that will most likely cause him to retire early.

A player like that is a good fit for a team like Pittsburgh that needs an every down rushbacker, but for us...it would be a wasted pick because by the time Hali is ready to hang em up, Jarvis Jones very well be at that point, too.

They were uncharacteristic of blitzes we are accustommed to from Fangio and SF. I didn't mean exotic or uncharacteristic in general.

Exactly. Almost every player you'd consider at 1.1 had a reason to not draft him. At the end of the day, we had typical Chiefs luck. First overall pick in a shitty ****ing draft sandwiched between once-in-a-decade talents at QB and pass rusher.

****ers.

I highly doubt that given Fangio's philosophies and from what I've seen previously but I'm not going to pretend I've broken down any 49er's film recently.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I could have sworn every poster on here did nothing but spend all day breaking down film on all 32 teams' offensive concepts, defensive concepts, play-by-play effectiveness on an individual basis, and backup player potential.

Can't force you to believe it, but Fangio didn't blitz much. We would send 4 and an occasional 5th from the front 7, but it was rare that we sent DBs. Now what Fangio did prior to SF, I can not say.

Not sure if you know this or not, but unless there is bad blood between the two coaches that are facing each other, head coaches commonly call each other before their teams meet in preseason to discuss what they want to come out of the game having gained and usually extend a courtesy to each other by throwing things at each other that each coach wants to see.

Todd Haley brought this up in an interview a few years back.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Andy asked Jim to throw a few blitzes in his book to see how the tackles and quarterback are (at this point) at identifying the blitzers (this is probably a concern of his after switching away from zone blocking) and picking them up.

I bet Andy wanted to see exactly what we saw so that he could use the tape as a teaching tool.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am.

I am indeed aware of this.

I'd do it for several truckloads of cash and a lifetime supply of Hendricks.

I'd probably need to get an Adderall prescription as well after a while. Perhaps Von could hook me up?

That's why trading down with Miami would have been a smart choice. Staying put at 1 and using the pick to create a log jam at offensive tackle was a complete waste.

Also, I don't buy for a second that there weren't any players worthy of the pick.

Talon Austin would have added a serious playmaker to this offense.

That's something this team is/was lacking BIG TIME.

I figured you would.

I'm not huge on tavon Austin, but I would have liked to have taken one of the better outside wrs in the second

If Miami was willing to trade up and we didn't, then that was a huge ****ing mistake.

Tayvon Austin might end up being a legit playmaker, but you can't say the guy was any less of a risk. He's tiny. TINY. I think he's going to be a badass, but it goes back to my theory that every single person at the top had a knock on them.

Which is why people are pissed. We wanted to see the Chiefs draft for highest ceiling, not highest floor.

We could have taken Tayvon #1 and Geno in the second. Dang.

From what I read, that was severely misdiagnosed. Agreed that it would flash on the medical reports. But I still maintain that the guy is going to be a hell of a pass rusher even if it is for a few years.

And I agree, he wasn't a fit for the Chiefs. Hes just my pick to be the standout of this draft.

He blitzed plenty last year.

What he didn't do often was send the corner, or the safeties. So that is correct. But to say he didn't blitz, he regularly sent the three down, both aldon and ahmad, and either bowman or Patrick.

Yes, we didn't blitz the safeties at all that I can recall.

Without having inside knowledge, I can guarantee that Andy Reids love fest with McCluster factored into that decision not to draft him.

I didn't say he didn't blitz. I said he didn't blitz much. My main exhausting point was exactly the bolded.

... and no, he didn't send our ILB(s) all that often.

I guess I don't know what much means lol. My favorite niner is Bowman, so I watch him quite a bit on defense.

Miami traded from 12 to 3 with a second rounder.

Shit, I've

I'd have traded down for a 3 and next years 2.

Or just the 2 Oakland got

Or a 3 this year and a 3 next year.

Yeah, shocked that the Chiefs and fins didn't make a deal.

Correct me if I'm wrong here boss, but weren't you one of the guys pre draft saying we couldn't trade back for that little and had to use the draft value chart?

It's a sad day in CP history when half the pages have ignored member posts.

Sounds like Fisher's more dinged up than people thought.

****. And we were counting on Fisher's ability to boost team morale at piano bars when we drafted him at #1.

Nope. Chiefzilla said it's just one injury.

I've been trying to tell people that chart is ****ing broken since the new CBA.

If we would have made that deal the majority here would have Lost Their ****ing Minds, and would have bitched about it every day since, and Dorsey would be labeled a pussy push over.

#playmaker

No. I didn't. It looks like his fingers are ****ed up, and he hurt his shoulder trying to overcomepsnate.

Like I said, he has 3 injuries. One of each hand, and his shoulder.

We need an injury prone nickname that will stick.

Eric Fissure?

Eric Fishurt

Consider it a gift to the Chiefs community.

I like to give back whenever I can.

ROFL

I really don't give a shit. Calling a guy injury prone a few weeks into his career is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Especially when 3 of the top 5 picks have missed preseason games already to injury. Just because he's banged up in 3 places, doesn't mean that they're all severe. It sounds to me like the UCL tear on the thumb is the part that's really bothering him, and that's a legit injury that can happen to anyone.

http://i.imgur.com/PwL8rpt.gif

Where can I get one?

That's 94% as adorable as the lion gif.

Thanks for posting.

I don't get the hate for Fisher?

He definitely played better against the Steelers but, against the 49ers it was obvious he was favoring his right arm/hand.

When I watch the 49er game gifs, it really looks to me he's trying to protect it. It looks like he is in pain and doing the best he can.


In the first one, it's like he doesn't have much strength in that right arm.

In the second one, it's like he's trying not to use the right hand/arm at all.

The third one is the most obvious. He doesn't use his right arm at all and tries to block with his head.

The exact same thing happens in the fourth one.

1st overall pick

not playing well

has injury, but obviously not serious because coaches, medical staff, and others tell him to play through it

OL are injured all the time

that's why

Some expect a rookie to play flawlessly in a newly implemented scheme for all offensive players while also in preseason game 2 playing with multiple injuries... all because he was drafted 1.1.

Many that have been outspokenly negative of him are still butthurt that he was the 1.1 pick to begin with... so any mistakes, and they will jump all over him.

:doh!:

The hate for Fisher has much more to do than a certain player/position player that wasn't picked.

Has nothing to do with Fisher at all.

Yep. Because he's a better QB than Geno is...

DIS GUY SUX, PF CHANG TOLD ME1!

I see. That makes sense as to why there are so many stupid posts in this thread. All you have to do is watch his right arm in the gifs. Fisher is going to be good imo. He was the right pick.

LMAO

I agree.

I don't get the hate for Fisher? Why aren't you mother****ers just ecstatic that we blew our load on a non-generational Tackle? Did linemen run a blocking sled over your puppy as a child? Sheesh!

Most will appreciate Fisher even more next season. Albert leaves for the big FA money, and then you will be glad to have your LT with a year under his belt (albeit from RT, but still).

Drafting Fisher did three things.

- It allowed KC to get value at their pick in a lousy top 5 draft.
- It gives you much needed depth and a legit starter on the OL for this season.
- It gives you your LT of the future.

We should have blown our load on a non-generational nickelback, backup passrusher, quarterback, or three technique defensive tackle.

Not likely.

Unless Albert completely sucks ass this year all you will hear is how the Chiefs let another quality player walk out the door.

Fisher is highly unlikely to make any improvement to this team. It was a 1.1 pick to maintain homeostasis, or as I like to call it... a wasted pick.