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kccrow 04-16-2025 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18031284)
The problem is that Harris isn't an early separation, short area guy either. And he's not a downfield specialist.

So I thought I was being diplomatic in calling him a 'contested catch' guy because ultimately I don't see him being particularly adept at...anything. He's just there.

I don't think I'd have him in my top 10 WRs. I just can't see why I should like him more than someone like Tory Horton or Kyle Williams. Those are 3rd and 4th round guys by most and that's about how I see Harris.

Admittedly, I can be dogmatic especially when it comes to WRs, but it's served me well more often than it hasn't. I just don't see a guy that does anything particularly well.

I think you can get away with that at a lot of positions but I just don't see it at WR. I'd take a RB with no standout traits but who does everything at a reasonably solid level. But at WR I need to see SOMETHING you do specifically well. In Harris I see a guy who's not particularly fast, not particularly physical, not particularly polished and doesn't run exceptional routes.

He's game. He's willing to put his body out there to take a hit and make a catch. He's willing to block. I guess you could argue that he doesn't look a ton different than Rice did coming out, but I just liked what I saw in Rice quite a bit more than Harris.

My personal opinion is that you nailed the Rice comp. He is a slightly taller, slightly slower version of Rice. Not too much slower, though. I thought Rice showed marginally better quickness in his breaks and stuff.

Honestly, the biggest concern for me wouldn't be projecting his impact, it'd be his availability. You can't play from the tub.

DJ's left nut 04-16-2025 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18031372)
My personal opinion is that you nailed the Rice comp. He is a slightly taller, slightly slower version of Rice. Not too much slower, though. I thought Rice showed marginally better quickness in his breaks and stuff.

Honestly, the biggest concern for me wouldn't be projecting his impact, it'd be his availability. You can't play from the tub.

With Rice it was his first gear and body control that I really loved along with his willingness to be physical.

I see the willingness with Harris but I don't see the 1st gear out of the cuts (and as I said when Rice timed, I was floored by his poor time; I really saw more deep speed than the stopwatch showed). With Harris the body control is good but I viewed Rice as College Elite and NFL premier. Like really damn good from day 1. I see Harris as a step below that -- simply good for a college player. And I don't see the deep speed I saw with Rice (that the stopwatch didn't support).

Said it for years that I'm a traits/measurables whore with WRs. I really can't shy away from the label and wouldn't if I could. And with Harris I see a collection of solid traits that just don't look like they add up to a genuine top 60ish prospect. Back of 3? Sure -- take a shot. But he was too productive out of an SEC program for that. And there are teams that won't be bothered as much by the average short-area quickness.

So in the end I just won't get him. And I'd be fine with that. Not because I dislike him in a vacuum, but because there are going to be guys I like more.

kccrow 04-16-2025 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18031409)
With Rice it was his first gear and body control that I really loved along with his willingness to be physical.

I see the willingness with Harris but I don't see the 1st gear out of the cuts (and as I said when Rice timed, I was floored by his poor time; I really saw more deep speed than the stopwatch showed). With Harris the body control is good but I viewed Rice as College Elite and NFL premier. Like really damn good from day 1. I see Harris as a step below that -- simply good for a college player. And I don't see the deep speed I saw with Rice (that the stopwatch didn't support).

Said it for years that I'm a traits/measurables whore with WRs. I really can't shy away from the label and wouldn't if I could. And with Harris I see a collection of solid traits that just don't look like they add up to a genuine top 60ish prospect. Back of 3? Sure -- take a shot. But he was too productive out of an SEC program for that. And there are teams that won't be bothered as much by the average short-area quickness.

So in the end I just won't get him. And I'd be fine with that. Not because I dislike him in a vacuum, but because there are going to be guys I like more.

I've been a measurables whore as well. I'm starting, VERY slowly, to learn my lesson after love affairs with Phillip Dorsett, Will Fuller, Parris Campbell, and Jaylin Hyatt. Who did I put in my mock? Dymere Miller, another Dorsett carbon. It's a bleepin disease man. I love Jaylin Noel as well, no surprise.

I was high on Rice and I desperately for us to move up to take Brian Thomas, so we're getting somewhere.

All things told, if you held a gun to my head and said pick a WR in any round, ignoring other needs, that you think will be available at our pick, I'd actually take Emeka Egbuka in round 1 with strong consideration for Jayden Higgins. So, maybe, there's hope.

DJ's left nut 04-16-2025 08:06 PM

I wanted Egbuka in the 1st round last year and then he screwed me and went back to Ohio State.

He's just so damn smooth.

RunKC 04-19-2025 04:26 PM

Nate Taylor’s mock:

1 trade up for Mykel Williams DE Georgia
2. Tre Harris set Ole Miss
3. Trade down for Alfred Collins
4. Trevor Etienne RB Georgia
5. Zy Alexander CB LSU
7. Luke Lachey TE Iowa
7. Jalen Travis OT Iowa State

I like Williams but either way a deep class? He also had us trading down to take Alfred Collins so the Patriots could take Judkins.

God help Veach if he did that stupid ass shit

staylor26 04-19-2025 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18030880)
Love Dane but I would not like this draft at all

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Kansas City Chiefs Full 7 Round Mock Draft Haul from <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dpbrugler</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthletic</a> <br><br>Top 3 is a great start in my book.<br>I would have preferred RJ Harvey, Jordan James, or Damien Martinez to Skattebo<br>Would have Gone Cam Williams or Mukuba to Cabeldue at 133<br>And changed the… <a href="https://t.co/l0VEoWnZ0P">pic.twitter.com/l0VEoWnZ0P</a></p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1912482304967983351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yall are trippin I'd like this.

Bowser 04-19-2025 05:20 PM

I've been talked out of wanting Josh Simmons. I'd be willing to change my mind if next year's OT's look to be even less impressive than this year's at this point.

And I'm in agreement with wanting RJ Harvey over Skattebo, but I'd certainly not be pissed with Skattebo.

duncan_idaho 04-19-2025 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18034752)
Yall are trippin I'd like this.


If you don’t like Simmmons and/or Skattebo, it’s pretty tragic.

staylor26 04-19-2025 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18034824)
If you don’t like Simmmons and/or Skattebo, it’s pretty tragic.

Honestly, would prefer Martinez or Goddens at that spot.

RunKC 04-19-2025 07:45 PM

Yeah a WR that doesn’t fit our system that well and no real improvement to the pass rush would really piss me off

staylor26 04-19-2025 09:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NFLSEshow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLSEshow</a>’s 7 Round <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Mock:<br><br>Pick 31: Josh Simmons • T<br>Pick 63: Omarr Norman-Lott • DT<br>Pick 66: Elic Ayomanor • WR<br>Pick 95: Jaydon Blue • RB<br>Pick 133: Elijah Roberts • DE<br>Pick 226: Kaimon Rucker • DE<br>Pick 251: Teddye Buchanan • LB<br>Pick 257: Kitan Crawford • S</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1913712669997101185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-19-2025 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18034879)
Yeah a WR that doesn’t fit our system that well and no real improvement to the pass rush would really piss me off

Fully disagree that Tre Harris doesn't fit our offense.

Coach 04-20-2025 08:08 AM

Forgive me, as I have not followed closely this year compared to the past, but is Simmons the guy who has his knee injury or patellar tendon if I am not mistaken?

Can that be an issue? Is there history of players who suffered similar injury as this and affected their play in a bad way?

Only reason I ask is that I remember Victor Cruz, Jerod Mayo, and that Jackson guy from the Chargers had similar injury. Also (and I can be mistaken here), their return-to-play performance definitely decreased?

Maybe it's just me, but this feels a lot of high risk and low reward.

RunKC 04-20-2025 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18034988)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NFLSEshow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLSEshow</a>’s 7 Round <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Mock:<br><br>Pick 31: Josh Simmons • T<br>Pick 63: Omarr Norman-Lott • DT<br>Pick 66: Elic Ayomanor • WR<br>Pick 95: Jaydon Blue • RB<br>Pick 133: Elijah Roberts • DE<br>Pick 226: Kaimon Rucker • DE<br>Pick 251: Teddye Buchanan • LB<br>Pick 257: Kitan Crawford • S</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1913712669997101185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Okay this one ****s. I’d be happy with this

kccrow 04-20-2025 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18034988)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NFLSEshow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLSEshow</a>’s 7 Round <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Mock:<br><br>Pick 31: Josh Simmons • T<br>Pick 63: Omarr Norman-Lott • DT<br>Pick 66: Elic Ayomanor • WR<br>Pick 95: Jaydon Blue • RB<br>Pick 133: Elijah Roberts • DE<br>Pick 226: Kaimon Rucker • DE<br>Pick 251: Teddye Buchanan • LB<br>Pick 257: Kitan Crawford • S</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1913712669997101185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would be thrilled with some gets here but I don't see this as realistic.

I just don't get the Simmons to KC stuff. I can't fathom this team taking that chance in round 1. If it's what they do, I guess.

I feel like the late 2nd is about a round early on Norman-Lott but who knows for sure on that one. I do like him, but he lacks experience. I feel like there will be better options at that pick. I'd like him more in the 3rd. I think you can work with him. Wouldn't hate it though.

Ayomanor is a guy I don't know if he fits in this offense really well, too straight tline, and the drops are a very real thing. Doesn't feel like something we'd go after in the 2nd round. Maybe the 4th round on that type.

Blue is probably a 5th or 6th rounder, talent doesn't equate with his speed at all. 3rd is way too high. I don't think he's a guy Reid would sign off on with the fumbling issues.

Rucker is meh. Short frame, short arms. I don't think that will play with Spags. I get that Danna has been a guy here who's played, but he's kind of an enigma.

Buchanan is probably a 5th-rounder, could even sneak into the 4th. He's a really solid LB. I don't know why he'd slip to the end of the 7th round. I can't see it as even remotely realistic.

Crawford is probably a 6th-rounder, could sneak into the 5th with his workout. A lot of teams have looked at him. No way he's the last pick in the draft.


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