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KC_Connection 01-21-2025 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17927723)
Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

The Astros literally had a coach set up watching a video feed feeding them pitch calls which they proceeded to communicate to the hitters at the plate for an entire season. I’d argue that’s a far more severe form of cheating than simply doing what a large portion of the league was already doing in the 90s/00s (which wasn’t actually against any MLB rule and which they didn’t even test for until 20 years ago).

And if any of these writers actually cared that much about doping, they’d never have let David Ortiz in either.

Ocotillo 01-21-2025 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17927730)
The Astros literally had a coach set up watching a video feed feeding them pitch calls which they proceeded to communicate to the hitters at the plate for an entire season. I’d argue that’s a far more severe form of cheating than simply doing what a large portion of the league was already doing in the 90s/00s (which wasn’t actually against any MLB rule and which they didn’t even test for until 20 years ago).

And if any of these writers actually cared that much about doping, they’d never have let David Ortiz in either.

The players knew it was wrong. Even if Fay Vincent's 1991 memo had no teeth to it, it was against the law.

Donald Fehr and the MLBPA were vehemently against testing anyway, so it had no chance to be included in a CBA. Fehr cried privacy concerns. Fehr only relented to testing when the players were shamed publicly.

Mecca 01-22-2025 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17927723)
Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

Just like all these NFL guys aren't roided out..

Ocotillo 01-22-2025 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17927738)
Just like all these NFL guys aren't roided out..

Julius Peppers is in the Pro Football HOF.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/pasq...n/1460692.html

tk13 01-22-2025 08:25 PM

This might be worse than some of the lists that put Mahomes at 4th or 5th or wherever.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A historic season in Kansas City that ended with an AL MVP podium finish!<br><br>Superstar Bobby Witt Jr. is The Shredder&#39;s #4 shortstop on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Top10RightNow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Top10RightNow</a> ahead of the 2025 season. <a href="https://t.co/ujlbSX7yGq">pic.twitter.com/ujlbSX7yGq</a></p>&mdash; MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1882240333066711476?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

siberian khatru 01-22-2025 08:32 PM

I assume by The Shredder, that means they put all the names into a shredder and then just randomly grab whatever comes out.

arrowheadnation 01-22-2025 08:37 PM

Bulletin board material. Top 2 or 3 player in the sport, but 4th best at his position because....reasons. The math is not mathing.

poolboy 01-22-2025 08:40 PM

god I hate the media

PHOG 01-22-2025 08:51 PM

Just put that BS in the shredder where it belongs.

Ocotillo 01-22-2025 08:53 PM

The Shredder is a computer that rates the players.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

The two human beings that hosted the show had Witt at No. 1.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are BK and DeRo&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Top10RightNow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Top10RightNow</a> lists at shortstop �� <a href="https://t.co/8cRw5lxqY6">pic.twitter.com/8cRw5lxqY6</a></p>&mdash; MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1882254677430906933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

PHOG 01-22-2025 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17929030)
The Shredder is a computer that rates the players.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

The two human beings that hosted the show had Witt at No. 1.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are BK and DeRo&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Top10RightNow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Top10RightNow</a> lists at shortstop �� <a href="https://t.co/8cRw5lxqY6">pic.twitter.com/8cRw5lxqY6</a></p>&mdash; MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1882254677430906933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now that's more like it.

poolboy 01-23-2025 04:20 PM

Profar to the Braves

poolboy 01-23-2025 05:18 PM

Can Hunter Harvey compete for us this year? seems like after he got traded to us, he checked out with some injuries. no bp pieces in FA

Wilson8 01-23-2025 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17930086)
Profar to the Braves

The Braves announced that they have signed free agent outfielder Jurickson Profar to a three-year, $42MM deal. The MVP Sports Group client will make $12MM this year and then $15MM in each of the next two seasons. Robert Murray of FanSided reported earlier that the two sides were in agreement. Atlanta designated right-hander Connor Gillispie in a corresponding move.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/...on-profar.html

dlphg9 01-23-2025 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 17930163)
The Braves announced that they have signed free agent outfielder Jurickson Profar to a three-year, $42MM deal. The MVP Sports Group client will make $12MM this year and then $15MM in each of the next two seasons. Robert Murray of FanSided reported earlier that the two sides were in agreement. Atlanta designated right-hander Connor Gillispie in a corresponding move.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/...on-profar.html

That's an overpay for him. He's probably gonna revert back go his usual shitty self now.


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