Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17028439)

The main problem trying to trade Jones will be the sane problem the Chiefs encountered the first time.

The rest of the league knows that KC doesn't want to pay Jones what he wants. That's why there were no huge offers for him on his first extension, the league either has a team get Jones for less than he's worth, or they force KC to pay more than what they want to pay and to to hamstring our cap situation.

Make no mistake here, this won't likely be a Tyreek Hill type haul if Jones is traded, unless it's just some team desperate to make a big splash and feel a superstar DT puts them over the top and they're fine to "overpay".

The biggest win for the Chiefs on moving Chris Jones is unfortunately the cap space and the ability to retain our younger players for longer.

I don't realistically see any team trading a first round pick or multiple respectable picks and committing 30m per year to acquire Chris Jones.

Guy's good, but we will be completely fine without him.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17028443)

No I'm not. Look it up yourself, jackass.

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17028414)

Let's look at some figures for 2024:

Chiefs currently have projected 35.66 M in cap next season
Jones Tag would be roughly 33.6M on the cap next year.

Obvious cap releases:
MVS (Save 12M, leaving 2M in dead money)

Extension Possibilities:
Thuney (Due 22.6M)
Reid (Due 14.25M)

Restructuring Mahomes (Saves a varying amount, for this thought experiment let's say it lowers his cap hit from 46.7M to 38M, saving 8.7M)

If we tagged Jones next year (if no deal worked out), we're looking at somewhere between 14M (no extensions or restructures) to north of 30M of cap space (restructure Mahomes and extensions)

I think we have enough wiggle room where if he plays this year and wants absurd money still, we can do a tag and trade next year.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17027933)

:facepalm:

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17028461)

Come on Tex, if this is Chris's stance you really don't have many other options. You would have ultimate authority over the trade specifics. I hated to lose Tyreek, but if Chris is asking for money that would hamper us from extensions coming for Bolton, Creed, Smith and Sneed... Well, then you have to make tough decisions.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17028459)

MVS aint going anywhere. Average WR(past their rookie deal) = $10 million in todays NFL. He's a cheap WR in todays market.

Creed is first up nest year for a long term contract. He will break the record for a center and be the highest paid center in the game.

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17028439)

The main problem trying to trade Jones will be the sane problem the Chiefs encountered the first time.

The rest of the league knows that KC doesn't want to pay Jones what he wants. That's why there were no huge offers for him on his first extension, the league either has a team get Jones for less than he's worth, or they force KC to pay more than what they want to pay and to to hamstring our cap situation.

Make no mistake here, this won't likely be a Tyreek Hill type haul if Jones is traded, unless it's just some team desperate to make a big splash and feel a superstar DT puts them over the top and they're fine to "overpay".

The biggest win for the Chiefs on moving Chris Jones is unfortunately the cap space and the ability to retain our younger players for longer.

I don't realistically see any team trading a first round pick or multiple respectable picks and committing 30m per year to acquire Chris Jones.

Guy's good, but we will be completely fine without him.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17028459)

MVS aint going anywhere. Average WR(past their rookie deal) = $10 million in todays NFL. He's a cheap WR in todays market.

Creed is first up nest year for a long term contract. He will break the record for a center and be the highest paid center in the game.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17028469)

They won’t trade him now, it’s too late to do that. Maybe next off-season.

He’s also the center piece of the defense. So yeah, they’ll miss him

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17028472)

MVS is a one trick pony. You release him to save the cap dollars and draft a speed receiver. You don't pay a veteran receiver 10-12 million per year that can't run a complete route tree and have questionable hands. MVS is fine for this season as we need that veteran presence in the receiver group, but next season Moore will be in his third year, Toney in his fourth, Rice will be in his second year, and you have James as the "veteran" presence.

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17028414)

Let's look at some figures for 2024:

Chiefs currently have projected 35.66 M in cap next season
Jones Tag would be roughly 33.6M on the cap next year.

Obvious cap releases:
MVS (Save 12M, leaving 2M in dead money)

Extension Possibilities:
Thuney (Due 22.6M)
Reid (Due 14.25M)

Restructuring Mahomes (Saves a varying amount, for this thought experiment let's say it lowers his cap hit from 46.7M to 38M, saving 8.7M)

If we tagged Jones next year (if no deal worked out), we're looking at somewhere between 14M (no extensions or restructures) to north of 30M of cap space (restructure Mahomes and extensions)

I think we have enough wiggle room where if he plays this year and wants absurd money still, we can do a tag and trade next year.

I think Chris Jones is an amazing player, but at 30M a year on the defensive side of the ball, I think the argument can be made that the money can be used in the aggregate across the entire defense or team, plus, that money long term could very much be used in signing younger players long term (Humphrey and Bolton specifically should be in the long term plans of this team IMO)

Not to mention for a player of Jones caliber, you're probably netting something somewhere around a 1st and a 3rd back, and can hopefully get another quality (cheap) player in the draft.

It would be painful, BUT he is not the Mahomes of the defense. NO ONE ELSE IN THE NFL IMPACTS A GAME LIKE PATRICK MAHOMES DOES. Does he lead the defense? Absolutely, but he is touchable in terms of cap. Not like Mahomes. Mahomes could want 35% of the cap and you say Yes. Jones has a number, the question is if 30M (roughly 14% of the cap this year) is viable in long term with this team.

Honestly, I hope these conversations are happening at 1 Arrowhead Dr, because if Veach does anything like trading CJ95, he'll have a plan in place to address his absence.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17027685)