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wachashi 05-05-2022 12:10 PM

Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year.

Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps)
Ward - 753 snaps
Sorensen - 698 snaps
Niemann - 557 snaps
Hughes - 508 snaps

I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there.

Mathieu -> Reid
Ward -> McDuffie
Sorensen -> Cook
Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.

Chris Meck 05-05-2022 12:23 PM

I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.

wachashi 05-05-2022 12:27 PM

Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?

wachashi 05-05-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16283407)
I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.

Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career💀 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/nc6jRjDXdt">pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt</a></p>&mdash; 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) <a href="https://twitter.com/3rd_forever10k/status/1485440162876182528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 05-05-2022 12:31 PM

All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann.

Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle.

God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air.

It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it

Chris Meck 05-05-2022 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16283415)
Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?

Presumably.

saphojunkie 05-05-2022 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16278608)
7 new players were added to our secondary via the draft and free agency.

We're going to be one of the youngest and hopefully deepest DB groups.

Rashad Fenton (25 years old)
Juan Thornhill (26 years old)
Deandre Baker (24 years old)
L'Jarius Sneed (25 years old)

Justin Reid (25 years old) and Deon Bush (28 years old) are our free-agent signings.

Round 1 | No. 21 | Washington cornerback Trent McDuffie (21 years old)
Round 2 | No. 62 | Cincinnati safety Bryan Cook (22 years old)
Round 4 | No. 135 | Fayetteville State University cornerback Joshua Williams (22 years old)
Round 7 | No. 243 | Washington State cornerback Jaylen Watson
Round 7 | No. 259 | Marshall safety Nazeeh Johnson

8 now, counting Lonnie Johnson

mabbott 05-05-2022 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16283384)
Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year.

Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps)
Ward - 753 snaps
Sorensen - 698 snaps
Niemann - 557 snaps
Hughes - 508 snaps

I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there.

Mathieu -> Reid
Ward -> McDuffie
Sorensen -> Cook
Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.

What are you picking to say these players are better???

Mathieu was graded higher at coverage but lover that Reid in run defense, plus Reid is younger and faster.
How is Sorenson better than Cook.. this alone makes me question your decision making. Sorenson was the worst safety in the NFL until a few lucky interceptions improved his ranking.

The season will show if our secondary is better or not. To me, the only real loss here is Ward, other than that I feel we have improved. If McDuffie is at the Sneed level or better we are much better.... I did notice you left Snead off of your list... coincidence?

wachashi 05-05-2022 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16283513)
What are you picking to say these players are better???

Mathieu was graded higher at coverage but lover that Reid in run defense, plus Reid is younger and faster.
How is Sorenson better than Cook.. this alone makes me question your decision making. Sorenson was the worst safety in the NFL until a few lucky interceptions improved his ranking.

The season will show if our secondary is better or not. To me, the only real loss here is Ward, other than that I feel we have improved. If McDuffie is at the Sneed level or better we are much better.... I did notice you left Snead off of your list... coincidence?

Those aren't greater than signs, just makeshift arrows. Sneed isn't on the list because he's still on the team.

O.city 05-05-2022 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16283424)
All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann.

Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle.

God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air.

It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it

Unless they can cover for 4 or 5 seconds it may not matter if the pass rush doesn't come around.

ChiefBlueCFC 05-05-2022 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16283423)
Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career[emoji88] <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/nc6jRjDXdt">pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt</a></p>— 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) <a href="https://twitter.com/3rd_forever10k/status/1485440162876182528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I think I blacked out after that play yelling at Mike Hughes

smithandrew051 05-05-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16283611)
Unless they can cover for 4 or 5 seconds it may not matter if the pass rush doesn't come around.

Chiefs Defense 2021 (according to Pro Football Reference):

Hurries - 4th
Hurry % - 3rd
Knockdowns - 8th
Knockdown % - 8th
Pressures - 6th
Pressure % - 5th
Sacks - 29th

I think Veach believes the pass rush only needs a bit of a boost and the problem was that the secondary wasn’t holding up quite as long as it needed to.

ToxSocks 05-05-2022 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16283423)
Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career💀 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/nc6jRjDXdt">pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt</a></p>&mdash; 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) <a href="https://twitter.com/3rd_forever10k/status/1485440162876182528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No matter how many times i watch it i still cant figure out how he got put on his ass so badly.

It wasn't even that great of a double move. Hell, that HS kid i played ball with last weekend had a better double move.

smithandrew051 05-05-2022 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16283938)
No matter how many times i watch it i still cant figure out how he got put on his ass so badly.

It wasn't even that great of a double move. Hell, that HS kid i played ball with last weekend had a better double move.

That looks like a guy who was EXTREMELY nervous

Rasputin 05-05-2022 06:09 PM

It's kinda funny maybe ironic but we've upgraded this backfield with mostly rooks and younger talent and of course they need experience. You would think that teams are going be thinking that we are playing a bunch of rookies but even without the experience I can see game one our defense is going to show up. This defense can cover mistakes by speed and chase guys down so that big play not going happen as much and if it does in one game it won't happen again same game. This is the most stoked both sides of the ball I've ever been.

If only we can beef up the lintier with Jones to penetrate and win in the trenches that would go a long ways and help our DBs. We got guys that can and will lay the wood in our secondary hell our Linebackers too. This is going be the most physical defense compliment the physical offensive line just tenacity on both sides of the ball. I think we got guys that can hit like Deron Cherry.


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