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tatorhog 03-10-2020 10:49 AM

I'd like to keep him, but if there is a bounty to be had in exchange for him, then I would be ok with seeing him go too.

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saphojunkie 03-10-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad (Post 14833002)
I gotta confess that I have flip flopped on tag/trade vs just paying him now. Hell, I still go back and forth some, but for the most part, I think you pay him.

IMHO, The real issue is anticipating the CBA and subsequent salary cap. $20mm may be a bargain after they come to an agreement.

I too will trust Veach. He’s earned that.

That’s why no one is signing until the CBA is done.

Good ****ing grief, people act like the chiefs are the only ones whose salary cap is going up. Every single other free agent will demand more, because there is more. The salary cap increasing only means something to players on EXISTING contracts.

Paying Jones is a mistake. It a a mistake they might make, but it’s a mistake. You trade him and move on. Defenses are simply not about one player. They are about a whole unit, and this whole unit needs upgrades. Trading Jones gives you not only the cap space but also the draft picks to do so.

It’s the only logical choice, assuming the value on the trade is in any way fair compensation.

Jerok 03-10-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14832957)
IF that's true, then you trade him.


IF.

Coincidentally I agree. That's why I want to trade him as long as we get at least a 1 and a 3.

Chief Roundup 03-10-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14832006)
No one is claiming that

Then why would you name this thread that very thing?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-10-2020 11:33 AM

Guys let’s just trust Veach. Everyone here should’ve gained his trust after he literally revamped this defense in a span of one offseason and made us super bowl winners. Trust Veach!! Whatever move he makes we need to support him. He will be our GM for the next 20-30 years so get used to it

Sassy Squatch 03-10-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14833093)
Guys let’s just trust Veach. Everyone here should’ve gained his trust after he literally revamped this defense in a span of one offseason and made us super bowl winners. Trust Veach!! Whatever move he makes we need to support him. He will be our GM for the next 20-30 years so get used to it

"gained his trust"? Were you born this silly, or do you have to work on it?

IUsedToBeATightEnd 03-10-2020 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14833024)
That’s why no one is signing until the CBA is done.

Good ****ing grief, people act like the chiefs are the only ones whose salary cap is going up. Every single other free agent will demand more, because there is more. The salary cap increasing only means something to players on EXISTING contracts.

Paying Jones is a mistake. It a a mistake they might make, but it’s a mistake. You trade him and move on. Defenses are simply not about one player. They are about a whole unit, and this whole unit needs upgrades. Trading Jones gives you not only the cap space but also the draft picks to do so.

It’s the only logical choice, assuming the value on the trade is in any way fair compensation.

Defenses as well as offenses are not about one player, 100% agree.
But some players are more difficult to replace than others.
The defense needs upgrade, and so does the offense (running backs and the OL to some extent), but losing key players in the process is not the way to build a dynasty. If Veach is confident in the draft picks he may let Jones go, otherwise I'm sure he'll stay and get paid a fair amount of money.

Megatron96 03-10-2020 01:18 PM

Veach has said repeatedly that he wants to keep Jones, and I believe he’s going to try to do exactly that. I’m very curious to see just how he tries to make that happen.

As for the hypothetical case of trading Jones, I’m not sold on the idea. You don’t give away a great known quantity for a possibly might be almost as good unknown quantity. It’s stupid.

Toad 03-10-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14833024)
That’s why no one is signing until the CBA is done.

Good ****ing grief, people act like the chiefs are the only ones whose salary cap is going up. Every single other free agent will demand more, because there is more. The salary cap increasing only means something to players on EXISTING contracts.

Paying Jones is a mistake. It a a mistake they might make, but it’s a mistake. You trade him and move on. Defenses are simply not about one player. They are about a whole unit, and this whole unit needs upgrades. Trading Jones gives you not only the cap space but also the draft picks to do so.

It’s the only logical choice, assuming the value on the trade is in any way fair compensation.

I don’t think anyone said that the Chiefs are the only team whose salary cap is going up. The point is that this salary cap increase may be a good opportunity to extend both Mahomes and Jones while mitigating the risk of not being able to afford other players to fill the roster.

Talisman 03-10-2020 01:27 PM

I know most people believe the franchise tag was placed on Jones temporarily to give the Chiefs some breathing room to get a deal or trade done, but how does the cap look if he were to play on the tag? Is that even a possibility? Obviously it wouldn't be great from a relationship standpoint given how Jones spoke out against it as soon as he was tagged.

BossChief 03-10-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Talisman (Post 14833312)
I know most people believe the franchise tag was placed on Jones temporarily to give the Chiefs some breathing room to get a deal or trade done, but how does the cap look if he were to play on the tag? Is that even a possibility? Obviously it wouldn't be great from a relationship standpoint given how Jones spoke out against it as soon as he was tagged.

Jones hasn’t been tagged yet.

The team has said they intend to tag him, but the step of actually doing so hasn’t happened yet.

RunKC 03-10-2020 01:36 PM

Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but we need to make a decision on Sammy by next Wednesday right?

Pretty sure we can’t be over the cap on the day of the new league year and Chris Jones tag puts us over while Sammy is the best option to cover that $15 or so million.

Talisman 03-10-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14833326)
Jones hasn’t been tagged yet.

The team has said they intend to tag him, but the step of actually doing so hasn’t happened yet.

Gotcha. Saw this from an article on Forbes:

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The NFL hasn’t calculated the franchise tag values for 2020 yet, but in the 2019 season, they were $17.128 million for a defensive end and $15.209 million for a defensive tackle.

Jones predominantly played defensive tackle for the first time in 2019 after the Chiefs switched to a 4-3 scheme under new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
If a player plays multiple positions, can you base the franchise tag value on the position they played the most using the previous year's snaps? Does it have to be one of the two amounts or if a player played 60% DT and 40% DE, could you set it to $15.977 million (60% of the DT tag and 40% of the DE tag)? In other words, does the team have any leeway on the amount or is it specifically set by the NFL?

Red Dawg 03-10-2020 02:31 PM

Trade Houston are you nuts? Trade Berry are you nuts? How did making them the highest paid at their position work out for everyone not named Houston or Berry? Not very good.

IUsedToBeATightEnd 03-10-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14833419)
Trade Houston are you nuts? Trade Berry are you nuts?

How can you compare a player at the end of his career, and another one who's been "day by day and no play" for the past few years, to a healthy beast in his prime such as Jones


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