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chiefzilla1501 11-15-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11113100)
The 25 million dollar number is dressing, the guaranteed money is all that matters.

Even though the report is that $15M is guaranteed, given the signing bonus, the first 3 years are pretty much guaranteed. The cap hit to cut him in year 3 will probably be about the same as the cost to keep him.

OldSchool 11-15-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11113099)
Nothing short of 6y/86mil if you ask me

So we're looking at a Robert Quinn type deal.

thabear04 11-15-2014 09:10 PM

This is a big blow for them they are hurting at CB.

The*San Diego Chargers*have given up on the idea of getting*Jason Verrett*back this season.

The teamannounced Saturday*that Verrett has been placed on injured reserve. The first-round pick had been attempting to rehab his left shoulder, which has a labrum tear in three places in addition to a rotator cuff tear.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported later in the day that Verrett*will have shoulder surgery this week, per a source who has spoken to the cornerback. The source also informed Rapoport that the cover man is expected to make a full recovery before next offseason.

OldSchool 11-15-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 11113121)
This is a big blow for them they are hurting at CB.

The*San Diego Chargers*have given up on the idea of getting*Jason Verrett*back this season.

The teamannounced Saturday*that Verrett has been placed on injured reserve. The first-round pick had been attempting to rehab his left shoulder, which has a labrum tear in three places in addition to a rotator cuff tear.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported later in the day that Verrett*will have shoulder surgery this week, per a source who has spoken to the cornerback. The source also informed Rapoport that the cover man is expected to make a full recovery before next offseason.

Good, makes our rematch game against them an easier matchup.

O.city 11-15-2014 09:14 PM

Didn't he have injury issues in college too?

OldSchool 11-15-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11113130)
Didn't he have injury issues in college too?

Not really, he only had that should injury his final year I believe. Had to get it fixed during the draft process.

O.city 11-15-2014 09:18 PM

Remember reading alot of teams had taken him off their board because they thought the shoulder would always be an issue

OldSchool 11-15-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11113143)
Remember reading alot of teams had taken him off their board because they thought the shoulder would always be an issue

Nah, they dropped him because he measured under 5'10" at the combine.

58-4ever 11-15-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11112192)
I think that's too much

You are an idiot. Almost all the guaranteed money was paid up front.

O.city 11-15-2014 09:25 PM

Louis Riddick

There were pre-draft concerns. #durability. RT:@UTgehlken: Chargers have placed Jason Verrett (shoulder) on IR. Labrum tear too significant.

I'm not looking for links but I vaguely remember seeing stuff about it

chiefzilla1501 11-15-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 11113155)
You are an idiot. Almost all the guaranteed money was paid up front.

From a cap hit standpoint, ten of the 15m guaranteed is spread throughout the contract. But yeah... This is not an expensive contract. That part I agree with you

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11112236)
Not if we cut Daniel

Will never happen.

Stuck, we are.

Iowanian 11-15-2014 10:02 PM

Fair contract, he's been very solid this year and earned the extension.

kccrow 11-15-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11113102)
$10M in cap increase
Walker, Devito, Daniel, Fasano, Mays... a pool of $12-15M to draw from
Hali can be cut or restructured, saving you up to $12M

Big contracts like Berry's or Houston's can be handled through a large signing bonus with a year 2 or 3 roster bonus kicker, and an almost zero dollar base salary in year 1. It's a way to defer your cap hit to later years. The Chiefs would be more than happy to make these kinds of investments knowing that Bowe, Hali, and Sean Smith's large contracts will probably be off the books in 2-3 years.

The Chiefs can easily sign anyone they want. Thank goodness they spent this year cleaning their cap vs. listening to fans who wanted to dump a bunch of money on expensive players like Byrd and Desean Jackson.

I keep telling you but you keep not listening about the cap increase... The Chiefs already have just over 135 million tied up next year in top 51 contracts before this move and before the Sherman move. The cap increases from 133 to 140 million next year. 140 - 135 = 5. They an rollover about 4.5 from this year. In the other thread they have 9.1 million with the cap rollover. They need, probably, at least 8 of that to sign the draft class.

That leaves you with the pool you described plus about 1 million. Justin Houston, if retained is easily going to cost near the upper echelon of pass rush contracts, which means about 14 million cap hit, on average per year. We'll see how that shakes, but it would have to be awful friendly to the Chiefs in 2015 and escalate to rather enormous numbers thereafter to hit what he'll command. So if you are intent on re-signing Houston, that ate up your pool.

That leaves you with Hali to do anything else of note, which would also include re-signing Hudson, who will probably command somewhere in the 4.5 to 7 million per range.

Even if you do all that, you have to re-sign some of the other 17 free agents the Chiefs have out there, most notably you'll need to re-sign about 10 of them. Even if they average out at league minimums, you're going to need around 9 million in space to do that.

mdchiefsfan 11-15-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11112419)
I don't think that anyone hates this signing . . .

My, your tone changed quickly.


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