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MahiMike 03-11-2009 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5573902)
Good God, Cutler was throwing to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal. Together they're EASILY on Moss and Welker's level.

I agree. Throw in Stokley and it's a pretty good trio.

lazepoo 03-11-2009 06:27 PM

Cutler's in charge of a potent offense, but without a solid team, he won't win anything. He's got the Broncos at a mediocre level, and unless they make strides in conditioning and on their defense, they're maxed out right now.

It's no different than the Cards last year: They were one dimensional and only made the playoffs thanks to a miserable division, and they posted a pretty meh record despite having a HOF QB because they had no running and no defense. If the Donx had caught fire at the end of the season, they could have made a similar run. Their offense was really good, but their D was KC level bad. Honestly, Cutler is the difference between Denver having the season they had last year and them competing with us for draft position in the top 5.

Mile High Mania 03-11-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5574037)
Going back to Elway, Elway was probably one of the most overrated QB's of all time.

ROFL

Saul Good 03-11-2009 06:35 PM

Cutler's Jake Plummer part deux. He makes so many great plays that his teams will never be terrible, but he makes so many terrible plays that his teams will never be great.

Hammock Parties 03-11-2009 06:45 PM

Kiper didn't really convince me. I was expecting some sort of breakdown of Cassel's skills, or attributes.

Que Card QB 03-11-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5573645)
You're reeruned.

WTF? You countered a W/L argument (Cassel vs. Cutler) with a W/L argument (difference of 3 games).

I agree that's not a measure by which to compare QBs so don't use "a difference of 3 games" to do it.

Mile High Mania 03-11-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5574113)
Cutler's Jake Plummer part deux. He makes so many great plays that his teams will never be terrible, but he makes so many terrible plays that his teams will never be great.

He's far and away nothing like Plummer back there... he has a lot to improve on though, the guy has a lot of talent.

Mile High Mania 03-11-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5574141)
Kiper didn't really convince me. I was expecting some sort of breakdown of Cassel's skills, or attributes.

Again, he's a little bitter that Leinart and Young are warming the bench for journeyman QBs pushing 40.

wild1 03-11-2009 07:10 PM

I wonder if the bloom will ever come off Shanahan in Denver? Sure, he's an OK coach, deserves credit for those super bowls 10 years ago with Reeves' team. But how many poor free agent signings did they make, how rarely did it seem that anything they drafted worked out?

And this Cutler situation along with, obviously, Shanahan's firing, shows that Bowlen is not high on him at all and may have come to the same conclusion, that nobody ever made as good a living off anyone as Shanahan has made off of Elway. Except maybe the living Carl Peterson made off Marty

htismaqe 03-11-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5574062)
Is this a sick joke? LOL

ROFL

You're serious, aren't you?

Welker had 7 more receptions than Marshall. Marshall had 100 more yards. Marshall had double the number of touchdowns.

Royal had 91 receptions to Moss' 69 and one less 100 yard game, despite the fact that he's a rookie.

Marshall and Royal are EVERY BIT the duo that Moss and Welker are. To pretend otherwise is laughable.

htismaqe 03-11-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5574037)
Last time I checked, quarterbacks don't play defense. You have to have it on both sides. Nothing Trent Green could of done for the defense. If Trent Green had the old Baltimore Ravens defense the Chiefs probably would of won 3 super bowls. It wasn't all Trent either, you coulda put alot of QB's into that system and had great success.

Going back to Elway, Elway was probably one of the most overrated QB's of all time. While he was a great player, he can thank his two super bowls to TD, who is by all accounts, one of the most dominating players ever in the short span where he was good.

Elway went to the Super Bowl 3 times without Terrell Davis. At least 2 of those teams wouldn't have come close to the Super Bowl without Elway. He's one of the best 2 or 3 QB's in the history of football, dude.

Mile High Mania 03-11-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5574195)
I wonder if the bloom will ever come off Shanahan in Denver? Sure, he's an OK coach, deserves credit for those super bowls 10 years ago with Reeves' team. But how many poor free agent signings did they make, how rarely did it seem that anything they drafted worked out?

And this Cutler situation along with, obviously, Shanahan's firing, shows that Bowlen is not high on him at all and may have come to the same conclusion, that nobody ever made as good a living off anyone as Shanahan has made off of Elway. Except maybe the living Carl Peterson made off Marty

You're insane... Shanahan took over in 1995, the teams he won with were not built by Dan.

Mile High Mania 03-11-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5574204)
ROFL

You're serious, aren't you?

Welker had 7 more receptions than Marshall. Marshall had 100 more yards. Marshall had double the number of touchdowns.

Royal had 91 receptions to Moss' 69 and one less 100 yard game, despite the fact that he's a rookie.

Marshall and Royal are EVERY BIT the duo that Moss and Welker are. To pretend otherwise is laughable.

This is why I think Cutler will do well in this system once the drama stops... it's lingering way to long. Bowlen needs to call a code red on both of them.


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