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beach tribe 09-17-2008 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5028021)
And you dont need those on a championship type team?

You do, but you also need to pull at least one impact player out of your drafts. None of these guys make a real impact. Even if they are not everydown players, you need difference makers, and thses guys just aren't.
I do think these guys will contribute, but to what?

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 09:29 AM

Page and Pollard are going to be good players. I think Hali is a solid starter if he's moved back to left end. Webb is a solid role player. I think it's a good draft overall. Better than Vermeil's, anyway.

triple 09-17-2008 09:33 AM

you're an idiot if you think pollard and page are ever going to be good starting safeties in the NFL. apparently the chiefs agree since they spent the pick on morgan

OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5028044)
you're an idiot if you think pollard and page are ever going to be good starting safeties in the NFL. apparently the chiefs agree since they spent the pick on morgan

Yeah, they drafted Morgan because of their concern for Page and Pollard, not because of the ridiculous value he was in the 3rd round...

:rolleyes:

Christ, Page was a SEVENTH round pick. The fact that he's still on the roster is against all odds, much less as a contributing factor.

FFS, people are ridiculous.

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5028044)
you're an idiot if you think pollard and page are ever going to be good starting safeties in the NFL. apparently the chiefs agree since they spent the pick on morgan

Page is already a good player. He's THE reason we can stop Gates when we play San Diego. Pollard has already shown strides this year.

But keep hating. Keep grasping at straws to discredit Herm.

the Talking Can 09-17-2008 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5028034)
Page and Pollard are going to be good players. I think Hali is a solid starter if he's moved back to left end. Webb is a solid role player. I think it's a good draft overall. Better than Vermeil's, anyway.

Hali has proven that he can't play the run on either side...he just gets destroyed. He is ideally a #3 DE.

Webb has done nothing. Nothing. And hopefully will disappear once Franklin is healthy.

Page and Pollard are ok, but neither are the complete package. And both will be drafted over - a la morgan - until we find better players...imo.

Basically that draft gave us 3 role players. Better than DV, for sure. But not good enough.

ChiefsCountry 09-17-2008 09:40 AM

2006 Draft for the whole NFL pretty much blows balls.

milkman 09-17-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5028034)
Page and Pollard are going to be good players. I think Hali is a solid starter if he's moved back to left end. Webb is a solid role player. I think it's a good draft overall. Better than Vermeil's, anyway.

Hali was getting his ass kicked by the RT in run defense soundly.

He is a role player, at best.

triple 09-17-2008 09:40 AM

i dont need to do anything to discredit Herm. the fact that this team has gotten worse every year of his tenure discredits him. the fact that we've lost more games in a row than some teams have in their history discredits him. they still can't play the pass. they will still never start on a good defense in the NFL. keep drinking the kool-aide if you want

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5028064)
Hali was getting his ass kicked by the RT in run defense soundly.

He is a role player, at best.

A guy who gets 7-8 sacks a year is a solid starter in this league. And Gunther was right - he missed five sacks clean last season.

Hali doesn't get enough credit around here.

CoMoChief 09-17-2008 09:44 AM

Its one thing to rebuild. But we can't win games with the way Herm is conducting this offense. This isn't 1950.

triple 09-17-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5028072)
A guy who gets 7-8 sacks a year is a solid starter in this league. And Gunther was right - he missed five sacks clean last season.

Hali doesn't get enough credit around here.

i'll make sure we keep lauding him for sacks he didn't make.

by this logic greg wesley and bernard pollard might be the most prolific tacklers in NFL history

milkman 09-17-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5028072)
A guy who gets 7-8 sacks a year is a solid starter in this league. And Gunther was right - he missed five sacks clean last season.

Hali doesn't get enough credit around here.

A guy who gets his ass run over as a run defnder, and gets 7-8 sacks as a pass rusher is a situational pass rusher.

That would be his role.

But only on the left side, because I don't think he's gotten close enough to the QB this year to be heard by him if he yelled at the top of his lungs.

the Talking Can 09-17-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5028081)
i'll make sure we keep lauding him for sacks he didn't make.

by this logic greg wesley and bernard pollard might be the most prolific tacklers in NFL history

and Linn Elliot was perfect...by that standard

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 09:52 AM

Tony and Thigpen are gay lovers.

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“We just haven’t done that much with Tyler,” said Gonzalez. “That’s how it goes, but there are no excuses. I knew he was going to get a couple of snaps. But once Damon went down, his package expanded, and that limits what we can do because we haven’t had that time together.”


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