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HemiEd

11-20-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I understand completely.

You're in love with Dick Vermeil and think he can do no wrong.

You hate Herm Edwards and think he's crap.

The truth is Vermeil did nothing in five years here. Herm Edwards so far has done nothing, but should be afforded the same chance Vermeil got.

Oh no you don't. I have said on here numerous times, Dick Vermeil was loyal to a fault. He carried it too far, no question.

Consequently, my comment about them being polar opposites, they are both extremes.
Herm Edwards is loyal do nobody, he would even throw Dick Curl under the bus if it helped him divert the pressure.

But to say Dick Vermeil did nothing, is bull shit. He entertained the hell out of me on Sunday's. Herm Edwards makes it easier to mow the lawn on Sundays.

HemiEd

11-20-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

The team wouldn't play hard if they didn't respect Edwards. I haven't seen this team quit in one game since Herm was hired.

You think this team is giving it their all? WTF? You don't see the Oline working harder with Croyle back there than they were for Huard?
Even your boy Lj was laying down, giving half effort, then throwing tantrums. The Offensive team does not respect Herm ****ing Edwards and he does not respect them, that is pretty ****ing obvious.

Coogs

11-20-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

Wow. That article is a little disheartening. I understand giving a team respect, and recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of both teams, however, to say things like, "We survived the 1st half" simply tells me that he never believed he had a shot at winning this game. The Chiefs "survived" the 1st half?? Yippie!! Moral victories all around!!

This is the NFL. This isn't Kentucky Institute of Technology going up against USC. You simply cannot go into a game with a defeatists attitude by saying, "We're gonna play four-corners and hope we get out of the 1st half unscathed."

That mentality is nonsense.

I disagree. We had opportunities to take the lead in the 1st half. Rayner missed twice. Venatari missed a couple as well, but we had our chances to grab the lead in the first half. How many times have you seen Manning take a team down the field and put points on the board with a minute or so to go on the clock? Quite a few. If we open up the offense at the 1:30 mark of the first half and do nothing from the 23 yard line... we are probably behind at thalf. If the ball had been out around the 35 or 40, I think we may have tried to put points on the board to end the half, but being back on the 23 was risky IMO.

bobbything

11-20-2007 09:34 AM

I wonder how hard the offense plays for Herm considering the comments from Gonzalez after the game. I'm not necessarily saying that they lay down, but it makes me wonder...

Hammock Parties

11-20-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Painting silly pictures again?

Samson

11-20-2007 09:40 AM

Herm-Ball is HORRIBLE for the fans, but I can't help but think what if...

What if we recover the Tamba strip late in the 4th Qt.? And what if we were able to go down and do exactly what Indy did to us...kick a filed goal with no time left?

Would that make Herm a genius for putting his team in a position to win against the champs, and then seizing the opportunity?

That being said, Herm-ball is HORRIBLE for the fans, but does it give the talent he has the best opportunity to win the game?

What are the posts around here like if we throw the ball around and lose 38-17?...

Noob

HemiEd

11-20-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Painting silly pictures again?

Some of us don't have blinders on. Even you are starting to weaken on the idiot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbything

I wonder how hard the offense plays for Herm considering the comments from Gonzalez after the game. I'm not necessarily saying that they lay down, but it makes me wonder...

I don't think they are "overachieving" from the wonderful motivational tactics of Herm.

HemiEd

11-20-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by herm ****ing edwards

``At the end of the day, we're in a transition phase with this football team,'' coach Herm Edwards said Monday. ``This is not the team that you're going to see next year. There are going to be some changes on this team. There's no doubt about it. We're going through a transition phase. That's a process.''

This should really motivate them! I wonder if Tony G. is next on the "get rid of" list? Trent was gone shortly after he spoke up about the offense.

bobbything

11-20-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Samson

What are the posts around here like if we throw the ball around and lose 38-17?...

Noob

I don't have a problem with the game plan up until our final possession. Play it close until crunch time. Well, the 4th quarter is about as "crunch" as you're gonna get. Yet, we still sat around and waited for Indy to give us something that they decided to go out and take for themselves.

Hammock Parties

11-20-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Some of us don't have blinders on.

I think you're so desperate to hate Herm, you'll say anything.

Hammock Parties

11-20-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

This should really motivate them! I wonder if Tony G. is next on the "get rid of" list? Trent was gone shortly after he spoke up about the offense.

You're painting again.

Tony G just signed a huge contract. He's un-tradeable.

Coogs

11-20-2007 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson

What if we recover the Tamba strip late in the 4th Qt.? And what if we were able to go down and do exactly what Indy did to us...kick a filed goal with no time left?

Would that make Herm a genius for putting his team in a position to win against the champs, and then seizing the opportunity?

What are the posts around here like if we throw the ball around and lose 38-17?...

Noob

:clap: Great 1st post!

HemiEd

11-20-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I think you're so desperate to hate Herm, you'll say anything.

ROFL ROFL That is so funny coming from you, it really is.

I am the guy that gave him the chance when he was hired. I did't have a "Germ Warefare" campaign, in fact I had all you ****ers on avatar block.
I gave him a chance to prove himself, he has. He is dumber than shit.

The team was less entertaining last year than the year before. It is less entertaining this year than last year. Oh boy, I can't wait until next year!

The D has really improved, they are awesome! They have gone from 16th to 8th! Woo hoo, that has nothing to do with Jared Allen and everything to do with Herm ****ing Edwards!

The O has gone from 1st to 30th, but that is the players fault, it has nothing to do with Herm ****ing Ewards!

yes, I hate what he has done.

Chiefnj2

11-20-2007 09:56 AM

Herm is saying the offense is so bad it is better to punt the ball and hope the D can do something and/or hope the other team screws up.

That game plan can work against the Raiders, but not a team like the Colts.

the Talking Can

11-20-2007 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I have not read this entire thread, but I intend to do so throughought the day. I really do not have a problem with what we did for 3+ quarters last Sunday. Even the before half thing where we ran out the clock with 3 timeouts left. I thought it was a brilliant gameplan in fact. Tied at 10 with under 10 minutes to go in the game with the defending Super Bowl Champs on their home turf... and comming off of two straigth losses. I thought it was pretty much perfect.

At that point though, I think they should haved handed the keys over to Croyle. Something like this... "OK Brodie... we got you to this point in the game tied. Do your thing. We are only going to have probably 2 more posessions at best from this point on in. Go do your thing. Don't worry about making any mistakes, just do your thing. You have Gonzo, Bowe, Kennison, and Holmes in your passing scheme... use them. Take us down the field.... beat the Colts... and the city... Kansas City... will be yours."

Instead we handed off on first down both times. Had 2nd and long both times. Brodie got us out of the first one, but couldn't overcome the second one. And Manning did the rest.

I agree with this. Well said.

Here it is in a nutshell:

I don't have a problem with Herm playing conservatively for 3 quarters.

I have a problem with Herm playing conservatively for 4 quarters.

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